PhantomShade Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, roun90 said: Once the acquisition fully completes (It's not finished yet - will only complete in 2023 afaik) - expect some of Bethesda's (Especially BGS's) freedoms to be curtailed. They have taken things far too slowly. A new ES should have come long before now. Fallout 76 should never have happened. ES Blades should have been a side project - and not one announced as the main piece at the Bethesda show-case at E3. A new main-line Fallout should also have happened recently (At least by 2021-2022). I expect some whips are going to be cracked and some discipline be enforced once the acquisition has been fully completed. Todd will be the head - yes. But he will also be responsible for answering some really tough questions if BGS (Not other subsidiaries like Arkane, Machine Games etc.) if they function the way they have up till now. WTF I LOVE PHIL NOW! Hope he applies the much need boot to Todd Coward Instead of F76 they could have given us quality FO4 DLC, but nahi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, roun90 said: Once the acquisition fully completes (It's not finished yet - will only complete in 2023 afaik) - expect some of Bethesda's (Especially BGS's) freedoms to be curtailed. They have taken things far too slowly. A new ES should have come long before now. Fallout 76 should never have happened. ES Blades should have been a side project - and not one announced as the main piece at the Bethesda show-case at E3. A new mainj-line Fallout should also have happened recently (At least by 2021-2022). I expect some whips are going to be cracked and some discipline be enforced once the aquisition has been fully completed. Todd will be the head - yes. But he will also be responsible for answering some really tough questions if BGS (Not other subsidiaries like Arkane, Machine Games etc.) if they function the way they have up till now. The acquisition is complete ,ABK will be completed by next year. i dont know how they are going to handle the studios ,but spencer is definitely not doing it personally. Its just stupid to think he is ,each studio heads are responsible for their own teams and Ms is just providing them support as required so that they can release the best versions of their games. If the best version requires a delay ,Ms will provide them from what we can see even with their big franchises like halo ,forza etc as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: Incase you didnt know bethesda or any of the studios acquired have full freedom ,bethesda even though its part of ms now is under tod or whoever was in charge before . Betheda showed what they wanted to show and announced dates accordingly , Now if they want more time which they have been provided with that. Its not like phil spencer visits each studios and dictates how to run their studios . All games that have been released or are going to release this year including ER ,horizon ,gt7 ,arkham knights etc were already delayed from last year. These delays are industry wide for all publishers and not just for xbox. Many knew since the beginning that Starfield wasn't a 2022 title. The thing is, xbox got no aaa first party till mid 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, radicaldude said: Many knew since the beginning that Starfield wasn't a 2022 title. The thing is, xbox got no aaa first party till mid 2023. It is what it is and lets wait till next month’s showcase to get a clear idea . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: The acquisition is complete ,ABK will be completed by next year. i dont know how they are going to handle the studios ,but spencer is definitely not doing it personally. Its just stupid to think he is ,each studio heads are responsible for their own teams and Ms is just providing them support as required so that they can release the best versions of their games. If the best version requires a delay ,Ms will provide them from what we can see even with their big franchises like halo ,forza etc as well. The best version launches after 5 years anyways in the form of seasons passes and extra modes in the form of dlcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, radicaldude said: The best version launches after 5 years anyways in the form of seasons passes and extra modes in the form of dlcs. Ya that is also the ideal time period to buy a current gen system . Slimmer consoles and 10$ exclusives ,modified langar Edited May 16, 2022 by triggr happy ss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: Incase you didnt know bethesda or any of the studios acquired have full freedom ,bethesda even though its part of ms now is under tod or whoever was in charge before . Betheda showed what they wanted to show and announced dates accordingly , Now if they want more time which they have been provided with that. Its not like phil spencer visits each studios and dictates how to run their studios . So you are trying to tell me that the moment Phil was in control,Bathesda in itself started acting like what he had been doing all along for the last dozen or so years?!? Yeah sure. 37 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: All games that have been released or are going to release this year including ER ,horizon ,gt7 ,arkham knights etc were already delayed from last year. These delays are industry wide for all publishers and not just for xbox. 31 minutes ago, Vamos said: True. The delays started with TLOU2, that was the moment when the pandemic started impacting video games. Pretty much all AAA games got delayed after that. What nonsense. TLOU2,HorizonFW,GT7,Elden Ring were just delayed for 1 or 2 or 3 months maximum. & these games had already taken shape & form like most other games that were due to the Pandemic. Comparing that to announcing games like Redfall that don’t have any shape or form & have a release date which crosses without even a single screenshot of what the game is!!! Only to know that it’s still full 1 year away. That’s kinda like marketing fraud Xbox is not new to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roun90 Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: The acquisition is complete ,ABK will be completed by next year. i dont know how they are going to handle the studios ,but spencer is definitely not doing it personally. Its just stupid to think he is ,each studio heads are responsible for their own teams and Ms is just providing them support as required so that they can release the best versions of their games. If the best version requires a delay ,Ms will provide them from what we can see even with their big franchises like halo ,forza etc as well. Of course Phil will not manage each studio personally. But he will closely monitor the results. MS acquisition was not free. They paid $7.5 Billion - which is huge. On top of that, they will also be putting in more money each time a new project comes up. Not to mention, MS will be covering all the staff salaries, licensing costs, and all other continuous expenditures Bethesda incurs from now on. No one gives money just for free. MS Shareholders will kill Phil if he does not even bother to monitor the situation and lets Todd do as he pleases. As I said - a new ES should have come long before now. For a huge franchise as ES - a wait of 2011 till (I assume 2025-26) is simply unacceptable. It was fine when Todd was an independent agent. I don't think it will be fine now. Starfield development started long ago (Before acquisition talk even) - so MS was fine with the delay, but even here they only allowed it till Q1 2023. Fallout 4 should either have had a new DLC or we should have had Fallout 5 announcement (Preferably release date for 2022-23). There was no demand at all for ES Blades - yet they made it a show-piece on E3. Fallout 76 released without any NPCs or even any proper plans on how to run a proper live-service game. I don't think MS will find any of this remotely acceptable. So yes - Todd is free, in the day to day workings and implementation. But I don't think he will be free with ideas (Have to run it through MS first), deadlines (Have to release on time) and hopefully even optimization (Games have to run properly, with hopefully minimal bugs and not depend on modders to fix the game for you.) All of this is just my opinion btw. Edited May 16, 2022 by roun90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamos Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, AnK said: & these games had already taken shape & form like most other games that were due to the Pandemic. Comparing that to announcing games like Redfall that don’t have any shape or form & have a release date which crosses without even a single screenshot of what the game is!!! Only to know that it’s still full 1 year away. Just because they haven't showed any trailers, doesn't mean it hasn't taken any "shape or form". That will be confirmed in the upcoming showcase. Until then, nothing can be assumed. When was the last time Bethesda showed any trailer/gameplay years ahead of release? Naughty Dog usually shares gameplay at least 2 years ahead of their release date. Bethesda - usually 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Vamos said: Just because they haven't showed any trailers, doesn't mean it hasn't taken any "shape or form". That will be confirmed in the upcoming showcase. Until then, nothing can be assumed. Oh c’mon dude….obviously I’m not talking about today but full 1 year ago when the summer 2022 release was announced. Any guy who thinks this is not part of Phil’s usual stunt of putting up showcases without any clue about the state of actual content & only happened because of Pandemic is just deluding himself aswell as others 8 minutes ago, Vamos said: When was the last time Bethesda showed any trailer/gameplay years ahead of release? Naughty Dog usually shares gameplay at least 2 years ahead of their release date. Bethesda - usually 6 months. OMG not this diversion again On 4/27/2022 at 10:59 AM, AnK said: Don’t want to break anyone’s heart around here, but:- Skyrim official gameplay reveal full 9 months ahead of release & much much before anything remotely e3 schedule. Hey hey hey:- Oblivion full gameplay presentation full 9 months ahead of release. So yeah even if there is a slightest chance,please start contemplating that maybe just maybe…..nothing worth showing is ready yet. Look rest of the bots being unreasonable in defence of Papu Spender is understandable. But a reasonable guy like you speaking their language is kinda heart wrenching. Phil Spenser has been committing marketing fraud for a decade now & that’s an undeniable reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazyniks Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: Ya that is also the ideal time period to buy a current gen system . Slimmer consoles and 10$ exclusives ,modified langar Yeah . Actually the best time to buy a console has been 3 years after launch . You get a slimmer and cheaper model and lots of high quality games to play right away . That's how it's been the last 2 gens for me . I was prepared to wait but this gen as well but the addition of SSD in current gen consoles changed things . Loading times on old gen consoles became very irritating . For me it wasn't the games or improved graphics but vastly improved loading times which made me buy new gen consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 I don’t think PS5 will see a revised design anytime soon this gen. The one that is available is actually not available. SX might see a redesign 1-2 year down the line with a digital only SX model. SS for all intense & purposes is supposed to be dead by then & production stopped. Will just be a bottle neck for the developers rest of the gen sadly. Many who own it today wouldn’t wona play Witcher 4 or ES6 on it for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 Phil Spencer is totally responsible for the debacle of a 2022 for xbox. Ps can sucker punch xbox this gen as well. They just need to release the games scheduled and announce some secret unannounced titles like silent hills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamos Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, AnK said: Look rest of the bots being unreasonable in defence of Papu Spender is understandable. But a reasonable guy like you speaking their language is kinda heart wrenching. Phil Spenser has been committing marketing fraud for a decade now & that’s an undeniable reality. Waiting until the official showcase before assuming anything is me being reasonable At most, it is going to be a 6-month delay, acc to their statement. Assuming that game doesn't have any "shape of form" is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 It’s not about 2022…..it never was. He had started investing in buying out studios since 2017. Since hiring them wasn’t working since 2010-2016. It’s just that it’s just not his forte & he is doing something he doesn’t have any clue about. He is a business man & not a creator himself like Ken Kutaragi,Mark Cerny,Shu Yoshida,Herman Hulst. He just doesn’t know how to manage developers or projects. Buying out full fledged Publishing Houses with their own management is Satya’s last hope for Xbox brand. But even that will only show fruits most likely when half or more of this gen has come to past. 3 minutes ago, Vamos said: Waiting until the official showcase before assuming anything is me being reasonable At most, it is going to be a 6-month delay, acc to their statement. Assuming that game doesn't have any "shape of form" is ridiculous. Again not getting the point. I am talking about a year back from today & not today!!! At that point it was shapeless (namely Redfall) & they decided to give both games a release date anyway. Only to delay 1 for full 1 year & another for 6-8 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazyniks Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, AnK said: I don’t think PS5 will see a revised design anytime soon this gen. The one that is available is actually not available. SX might see a redesign 1-2 year down the line with a digital only SX model. SS for all intense & purposes is supposed to be dead by then & production stopped. Will just be a bottle neck for the developers rest of the gen sadly. Many who own it today wouldn’t wona play Witcher 4 or ES6 on it for sure. Isn't Sony releasing another new model for Japan . Also I read rumours that Sony has ordered smaller chipsets for new model of PS5 which will be slim and there might be a pro model as well . Don't think XSS would be dead . True it won't give the best experience for newer games but Casual gamers don't really care much about these things . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Krazyniks said: Isn't Sony releasing another new model for Japan . New Model =\= External Redesign aka Slim Model. That was being referenced when I said what I did. Edited May 16, 2022 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) I want to know one thing why ponies without any nextgen consoles are so worried about Xbox exclusives. People who own Xbox consoles and pc have enough games to play I don't see any Xbox fan making huge deal about when PS games delayed but ponies without nextgen consoles just keep rambling about same sh*t l every day lol. Edited May 16, 2022 by WhiteWolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, WhiteWolf said: I want to know one thing why ponies without any nextgen consoles are so worried about Xbox exclusives. People who own Xbox consoles and pc have enough games to play I don't see any Xbox fan making huge deal about when PS games delayed but ponies without nextgen consoles just keep rambling about same sh*t l every day lol. Bro buying publishers for 80 billion is Satya ‘s last hope for xbox brand ,only possible on ivg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 BC game ek dhele ki nahi kheli Xbots ne Xbox pe pichle 12 saalo mai. But M$,Bill Gates,Satya ke billions aur gazillions ki hekdi mai itna dam hai ki quality content aur features kisse chahiye….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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