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Big Boss Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 Almost all our laws are from 60s and 70s, and they need to written from scratch. But then I shudder on the thought of rewriting the laws because who knows how much more they will f**k it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Big Boss said: Almost all our laws are from 60s and 70s, and they need to written from scratch. But then I shudder on the thought of rewriting the laws because who knows how much more they will f**k it up. Not written from scratch but amendments are needed( and done) from time to time. However, straight up suspending them is f**ked up. 16 minutes ago, adity said: Labor laws are already useless in this country. Its really stacked horribly. Pretty much no small or mid size company pays proper overtime. I was working on one company where the owner actually wanted to follow all laws and pay proper overtime wages, bonus, etc. but the labor contractor asked him to not pay because then workers working in other companies will also ask for it. Contract labor is paid the absolute minimum which is like 300 bucks or so a day. Once a rich investor guy was saying that labor laws regarding time limits and all that are bullshit and their security guard himself told them to not follow the 8 hour a day daily limit so that he can earn more. I mean why don't you just pay the poor guy more money. sh*t sucks, man. Some provisions like a max of 10 hours working in a day in Factories act and minimum wages act, prevention of unauthorised deductions as per payment of wages act, and industrial dispute act are absolutely essential. Also factories act identifies the concept of employment related injuries which is again a crucial aspect. I'm really not sure wtf the administrators are thinking suspending these basic and absolutely essential aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan.Drake Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 And it begins "The government has suggested that opening of markets, complexes and malls should be allowed in Delhi." https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/coronavirus-lockdown-delhi-tells-centre-to-let-markets-malls-open-on-odd-even-basis-report-2228991?pfrom=home-bigstory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohit9206 Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, Nathan.Drake said: And it begins "The government has suggested that opening of markets, complexes and malls should be allowed in Delhi." https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/coronavirus-lockdown-delhi-tells-centre-to-let-markets-malls-open-on-odd-even-basis-report-2228991?pfrom=home-bigstory Vaccine wont be available for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 At the rate cases are increasing, opening up malls is a disaster. Also odd even in markets? wtf? wont that create more foot traffic as everyone would be anxious to make purchases on the same day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 Even if you open them up, would people actually go to malls and markets? Letting Amazon and Flipkart deliver non essential items in Delhi would probably make a more significant (positive) difference to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 8:54 AM, Aftrunner said: Literally none of that is actual concrete policy. None of it. Other countries leader are setting up basic income to support the unemployed, guaranteed healthcare, testing at home, freeze on eviction notices, guaranteed paid leave to the sick etc etc. We are being told to get on our balcony and clap. I cant even blame them really. Why make an effort when no one is gonna hold you accountable? On 3/19/2020 at 8:58 AM, mohit9206 said: On 3/19/2020 at 8:54 AM, Aftrunner said: Literally none of that is actual concrete policy. None of it. Other countries leader are setting up basic income to support the unemployed, guaranteed healthcare, testing at home, freeze on eviction notices, guaranteed paid leave to the sick etc etc. We are being told to get on our balcony and clap. I cant even blame them really. Why make an effort when no one is gonna hold you accountable? Yeah the things he said most people already know or can just google. Maybe he's waiting till a few thousand people are dead before he decides to do anything. He needs to take care of his industrialist friends first. On 3/19/2020 at 9:01 AM, Walker said: now I guess I'd have to say thousands This has aged beautifully I must say (or not depending on your perspective of course). Well played gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante77 Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 Related to the pandemic (a few days old), we are stripping away labor rights as fast as we can. Here is Madhya Pradesh - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-brings-in-labour-reforms-amid-crisis/story-L5KTrSdFAGHoG0smgvnNyK.html duration of factory shifts has been increased from 8 hours to 12 hours in view of the Covid-19 pandemic..... “The employers will be allowed to have a third party inspection of factories by the inspectors of their choice. Establishments employing less than 50 workers have been excluded from inspections under various labour laws. Now inspections will be possible only with the permission of the labour commissioner and on the basis of complaints.” UP - https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/industry-unshackled-in-uttar-pradesh-all-labour-laws-but-three-suspended-for-3-years/story/403189.html UP suspended key labour laws for three years on May 6 through an ordinance, even as MP announced on May 7 it was taking a similar course to put all labour laws on hold, barring some provisions of the Factories Act, 1948, for the next 1,000 days. The move comes after the BJP held consultations with stakeholders back in April. Among key rights worker would lose include right to form unions, right to raise an industrial dispute, right to have grievance redressal machinery, among others Further, owners in some states will no longer be required to provide access to restrooms, ventilation etc for workers. It has also been made incredibly more difficult for laborers and unions to open disputes with employers. Part of it is being done under the guise of "luring investors from China". Most of it is done just so that labor can be exploited more for the benefit of factory/construction etc owners. That's extremely sad. What's even worse is people are hailing this is a masterstoke and (obviously) calling anyone who is criticizing a pro naxali and deshdrodhi and you know the words! My fb wall is full of those posts.I guess Modi rightly said. We convert crisis into opportunity! Psst... Cares fund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante77 Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 Related to the pandemic (a few days old), we are stripping away labor rights as fast as we can. Here is Madhya Pradesh - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-brings-in-labour-reforms-amid-crisis/story-L5KTrSdFAGHoG0smgvnNyK.html duration of factory shifts has been increased from 8 hours to 12 hours in view of the Covid-19 pandemic..... “The employers will be allowed to have a third party inspection of factories by the inspectors of their choice. Establishments employing less than 50 workers have been excluded from inspections under various labour laws. Now inspections will be possible only with the permission of the labour commissioner and on the basis of complaints.” UP - https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/industry-unshackled-in-uttar-pradesh-all-labour-laws-but-three-suspended-for-3-years/story/403189.html UP suspended key labour laws for three years on May 6 through an ordinance, even as MP announced on May 7 it was taking a similar course to put all labour laws on hold, barring some provisions of the Factories Act, 1948, for the next 1,000 days. The move comes after the BJP held consultations with stakeholders back in April. Among key rights worker would lose include right to form unions, right to raise an industrial dispute, right to have grievance redressal machinery, among others Further, owners in some states will no longer be required to provide access to restrooms, ventilation etc for workers. It has also been made incredibly more difficult for laborers and unions to open disputes with employers. Part of it is being done under the guise of "luring investors from China". Most of it is done just so that labor can be exploited more for the benefit of factory/construction etc owners. That's extremely sad. What's even worse is people are hailing this is a masterstoke and (obviously) calling anyone who is criticizing a pro naxali and deshdrodhi and you know the words! My fb wall is full of those posts.I guess Modi rightly said. We convert crisis into opportunity! Psst... Cares fund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 hours ago, playstationdude said: At the rate cases are increasing, opening up malls is a disaster. Also odd even in markets? wtf? wont that create more foot traffic as everyone would be anxious to make purchases on the same day? My wife received a call yesterday from Central Mall of all the places. They said if Mall don’t open in Lockdown 4.0, they will deliver things at home and to help people do their shopping, they will offer video calling. Customers just needs to point the section they want to shop from and an employee will video-browse the garments for them. Then they can deliver it your house through their delivery partners. You can imagine what dire situation these businesses can be which employ 100s of employees on one single location, pay lakhs of rupees as rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhi90 Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 9 hours ago, mohit9206 said: Vaccine wont be available for 2 years. SO yay! Let's go out and create chaos when cases are already increasing every passing day, that's with asbosultely horrible testing mind you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhi90 Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Aftrunner said: Even if you open them up, would people actually go to malls and markets? Letting Amazon and Flipkart deliver non essential items in Delhi would probably make a more significant (positive) difference to people. Yes sir! Just take a look out of your window and you'll see the number of vehicles outside. Even in our colony it's a 'mela' during the evening walk time with people even walking in groups. The same is the case with a lot of colonies throughout Delhi. I myself know of some individuals who are up and raring to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Right said: My wife received a call yesterday from Central Mall of all the places. They said if Mall don’t open in Lockdown 4.0, they will deliver things at home and to help people do their shopping, they will offer video calling. Customers just needs to point the section they want to shop from and an employee will video-browse the garments for them. Then they can deliver it your house through their delivery partners. You can imagine what dire situation these businesses can be which employ 100s of employees on one single location, pay lakhs of rupees as rent. This mode of operation is actually not a bad idea at all, IMO. This is something that could be done even in the absence of lockdown! And yes, I do agree its a tough situation for Shops especially with high rents and also for people employed. China has royally f**ked the world, but people are equally to blame with the careless chalta hai attitude that lead to the explosion of cases here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Right said: My wife received a call yesterday from Central Mall of all the places. They said if Mall don’t open in Lockdown 4.0, they will deliver things at home and to help people do their shopping, they will offer video calling. Customers just needs to point the section they want to shop from and an employee will video-browse the garments for them. Then they can deliver it your house through their delivery partners. You can imagine what dire situation these businesses can be which employ 100s of employees on one single location, pay lakhs of rupees as rent. This mode of operation is actually not a bad idea at all, IMO. This is something that could be done even in the absence of lockdown! And yes, I do agree its a tough situation for Shops especially with high rents and also for people employed. China has royally f**ked the world, but people are equally to blame with the careless chalta hai attitude that lead to the explosion of cases here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhpian Bali Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Big Boss said: 1602 in Maharashtra, 991 in Mumbai PCMC where I live is definitely under reporting numbers as they are in a rush to start IT and other industries. Only 4 cases today and the testing count is pathetic. people have space in PCMC areas. there are few slum clusters and most of the people live in huge societies or otherwise in proper buildings even in congested areas. that is why PCMC along with Aundh, Baner have very less cases. I am not at all surprised that PCMC would have low case counts. Edited May 15, 2020 by Bhpian Bali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Bhpian Bali said: people are spaced out in PCMC areas. there are very less slum clusters and most of the people live in huge societies that is why PCMC along with Aundh, Baner have very less cases. I am not at all surprised that PCMC would have low case counts. Dude the areas like Pimpri and Chinchwad are actually crowded like peth area in Pune city. They are testing very less. And Hinjewadi numbers aren't even available, the village and area near the IT park is again crowded. No one knows if cases are there because there is no data. It comes under Pune rural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, playstationdude said: This mode of operation is actually not a bad idea at all, IMO. This is something that could be done even in the absence of lockdown! And yes, I do agree its a tough situation for Shops especially with high rents and also for people employed. I try to see things from both perspective. 1. Businesses get hurt and they aren’t able to operate tomorrow 2. Workers are left to fend for themselves so businesses survive There is no perfect solution. If you go for 1, you basically damaging yourself and economy for very long term, if you go for 2, you are heartless crony-capitalist a**hole. I got to know from my co-worker whose cousin works for mcDonalds that they haven’t paid a single Rupee of salary for May, some even didn’t get April Salary, in India. World’s one of the largest franchise driven corporation, with billions of $ of sales every year, is not able to pay its employees, most of whom just get salaries around the minimum wage. On one side it is very easy to blame them to for being cruel and capitalist. But any business operates with cash-flow. They liquidate their assets and they will get screwed within a few months. OTOH, I personally feel they aren’t even trying to find a middle ground. Governments must push for this middle-ground, no one expects their employers to keep them in gold & fur, but employers must take courage to at least fulfil basic necessities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, adity said: Franchisee owners don't really make that much money and have rent to pay. I don't think they are really flush with cash or anything. I imagine having no revenue with very high rent can easily f**k the liquidity situation. That’s the thing, the Franchises are bleeding and Parent company who has made billions of $ of profits out of them, isn’t helping. But parent company will happily ask for bailouts when their revenues tank, to keep the Wallstreet happy and to help the corporates retain their memberships of expensive golf clubs. This is the prime example of Capitalisation of Profits and Socialisation of Losses. Edited May 15, 2020 by Right 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 49 minutes ago, adity said: Franchisee owners don't really make that much money and have rent to pay. I don't think they are really flush with cash or anything. I imagine having no revenue with very high rent can easily f**k the liquidity situation. But afaik MC donalds does not operate under a franchise model in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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