Coronavirus

[Right]

Oxford's vaccine moves to second round of trial, which involves 10000 people.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-vaccine-progressing-very-well-10000-injected-in-uk-2020-5

[Bhpian Bali]

So people from Mumbai are travelling to their Native places or to places where they own property outside of Mumbai.

 

Several people I know from Mumbai have been doing that including my very close friend. 

 

Should that be allowed?

 

 

[Right]

Thread on situatiom in Mumbai..

 

[Right]

24 minutes ago, adity said:

I read an article yesterday that the Oxford Chad vaccine failed. https://indianexpress.com/article/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-latest-updates-6419189/

 

What to believe? 

I don't think any failed vaccine would be advanced to trial where 10000 people would be administered it.

Need to know more details.

 

Oxford team is quite qualified.

[CarbonCore]

23 minutes ago, Right said:

Thread on situatiom in Mumbai..

 

 

The country's fked. Its been fked for a while but now the virus is really showing its ugly underbelly.

[SpearHea:D]

 

[playstationdude]

UT has failed horribly. For all their years of shouting "Giv moar powah, Giv moar Powah", his party has done a f**kall job in the last 2 months w.r.t increasing hospital capacity.

 

Although cant just blame him. We live in a capitalist economy but our politicians excerise powers like communists. Basically getting the short end of the stick on both ends.

[PhantomShade]

Just now, playstationdude said:

UT has failed horribly. For all their years of shouting "Giv moar powah, Giv moar Powah", his party has done a f**kall job in the last 2 months w.r.t increasing hospital capacity.

 

Although cant just blame him. We live in a capitalist economy but our politicians excerise powers like communists. Basically getting the short end of the stick on both ends.

 

Woh sab chalta hai but literally nobody is calling him out over it

 

Their only thirst for power was relative to them being frustrated in a coalition with Bhajpa, from being the "Kingmakers" in Maharashtra in pre-modi times to turning into the "junior" partner in the alliance is what caused this circus

Now Uddhav is too much of a rookie for the CM's post and further he has to appease his new coalition buddies constantly.Even if he doesn't appease his coalition buddies and gets into spats with them , they can still cause issues because they occupy the most plush postings in Maharashtra Cabinet.

 

Imagine if a**hole cops were like Kings everywhere during the actual lockdown, imagine what a Cabinet minister can do to obstruct things.

 

[PhantomShade]

Just now, playstationdude said:

UT has failed horribly. For all their years of shouting "Giv moar powah, Giv moar Powah", his party has done a f**kall job in the last 2 months w.r.t increasing hospital capacity.

 

Although cant just blame him. We live in a capitalist economy but our politicians excerise powers like communists. Basically getting the short end of the stick on both ends.

 

Woh sab chalta hai but literally nobody is calling him out over it

 

Their only thirst for power was relative to them being frustrated in a coalition with Bhajpa, from being the "Kingmakers" in Maharashtra in pre-modi times to turning into the "junior" partner in the alliance is what caused this circus

Now Uddhav is too much of a rookie for the CM's post and further he has to appease his new coalition buddies constantly.Even if he doesn't appease his coalition buddies and gets into spats with them , they can still cause issues because they occupy the most plush postings in Maharashtra Cabinet.

 

Imagine if a**hole cops were like Kings everywhere during the actual lockdown, imagine what a Cabinet minister can do to obstruct things.

 

Just now, Right said:

 

Not one journalist is talking about the clusterfk in MH.

This is Kaka's power.

 

Today Sanjay Jha also tested Positive, once this starts getting into elites and celebrities, who live in posh buildings then  you know how fked up it is.

 

This was originally a posh person's disease, like all returned NRI types were getting it.

now ofc it has gone mainstream

Edited May 22, 2020 by PhantomShade

[PhantomShade]

1 hour ago, CarbonCore said:

 

The country's fked. Its been fked for a while but now the virus is really showing its ugly underbelly.

 

This is nothing new lol

 

This is what generic hand-to-mouth-existence poors have to deal with if they ever get a bad disease or meet with an accident.

 

It is only because of corona that middle class and rich types are forced to engage with the accursed government hospitals, and that is how you get these twitter threads and newspaper articles.

 

In non-pandemic times, similar incidents would never come to notice of general public because your generic poor labourer type can't post on twitter in english and neither will any news house pick up such a story.

Edited May 22, 2020 by PhantomShade

[Right]

7 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

This was originally a posh person's disease, like all returned NRI types were getting it.

now ofc it has gone mainstream

Not all posh people but mostly those who can afford economy airfare to Gulf and SEA.

 

Poshest person to get it was Kanika Kohli. Then there was this medicine studying grandson whose family has doctors for 3 generations.

 

[Right]

5 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

In non-pandemic times, similar incidents would never come to notice of general public because your generic poor labourer type can't post on twitter in english and neither will any news house pick up such a story.

 

Very true, I have written about it a few times in this thread.

This pandemic is a great equalizer, no escape even for Upper-middle class ones, who used to happily pay 700-800rs to see a doctor if they got a couple of sneezes.

 

I have a personal health cover,  last week I received an email that they will be discontinuing it as soon as the current term ends. It is not "economically viable" for them, Covid must have screwed them bad.

 

This also mean that I would need to get some other plan and price will definitely increase. What I got for 22K a year, may go for 35-40k.

[KnackChap]

7 minutes ago, Right said:

 

 

I have a personal health cover,  last week I received an email that they will be discontinuing it as soon as the current term ends. It is not "economically viable" for them, Covid must have screwed them bad.

 

This also mean that I would need to get some other plan and price will definitely increase. What I got for 22K a year, may go for 35-40k.

 

Better to get it ported to some other company than start afresh. Which company btw?

[Right]

1 minute ago, KnackChap said:

 

Better to get it ported to some other company than start afresh. Which company btw?

Yeah. I will have to.

Hopefully I qualify for NCB.

 

It is Royal Sundaram.

[Bhpian Bali]

Nvm

Edited May 22, 2020 by Bhpian Bali

[Keano]

^ source link?

[CarbonCore]

12 hours ago, PhantomShade said:

 

This is nothing new lol

 

This is what generic hand-to-mouth-existence poors have to deal with if they ever get a bad disease or meet with an accident.

 

It is only because of corona that middle class and rich types are forced to engage with the accursed government hospitals, and that is how you get these twitter threads and newspaper articles.

 

In non-pandemic times, similar incidents would never come to notice of general public because your generic poor labourer type can't post on twitter in english and neither will any news house pick up such a story.

 

That's what I meant. Its been fked for a while now but the pandemic is showing the true nature of it. The MH gov has been complaining of mass migration to MH for decades, but people just ignored it because "muh constitutional rights". Literally millions of workers are now doing mass exodus from here and unintentionally spreading the virus. Why is it that the entire country's hard labor comes to one state to work? The people here are not lazy bums, they just wanted humane working hours and decent pay. But the fkin contractors and their minions wanted cheapest possible workforce, one that was starving to death in their own native place and was ready to work 14hrs a day for 50rs. The Mumbai city has been sitting on a pile of dynamite for decades and Covid just lit the fuse. This state was not and will never be ready for any crisis management.

[Bhpian Bali]

32 minutes ago, CarbonCore said:

 

That's what I meant. Its been fked for a while now but the pandemic is showing the true nature of it. The MH gov has been complaining of mass migration to MH for decades, but people just ignored it because "muh constitutional rights". Literally millions of workers are now doing mass exodus from here and unintentionally spreading the virus. Why is it that the entire country's hard labor comes to one state to work? The people here are not lazy bums, they just wanted humane working hours and decent pay. But the fkin contractors and their minions wanted cheapest possible workforce, one that was starving to death in their own native place and was ready to work 14hrs a day for 50rs. The Mumbai city has been sitting on a pile of dynamite for decades and Covid just lit the fuse. This state was not and will never be ready for any crisis management.

 

 

Bro i deal with a lot of govt projects. everyone has labor from outside the state including southern state. I have very rarely seen maharashtrian labor working at low position. they instead occupy position of Supervisors. any maharashtrian labor class that is available goes out of state or district due to stigma attached with the job of working as a "Hamal". also non localites are much more co-operative once their demands are met on the other hand a localite will get his whole village and probably destroy everything.

Also from what I have observed that if the local labor so wishes they can very easily bar people from other states to work as labourers in their area. they are the muscle as they are local and also have political backup. So it is not a north-indian or south indian problem. it is who is available to get the job done problem as the locals here dont object and a lot of out of state people are willing to pick up the tools.

I am speaking about the state. Mumbai is a totally different situation altogether. it is an economy by itself so no doubt people wanna settle there. Surprisingly everyone even manages to find space in that city. 
 

[CarbonCore]

15 minutes ago, Bhpian Bali said:

 

 

Bro i deal with a lot of govt projects. everyone has labor from outside the state including southern state. I have very rarely seen maharashtrian labor working at low position. they instead occupy position of Supervisors. any maharashtrian labor class that is available goes out of state or district due to stigma attached with the job of working as a "Hamal". also non localites are much more co-operative once their demands are met on the other hand a localite will get his whole village and probably destroy everything.

Also from what I have observed that if the local labor so wishes they can very easily bar people from other states to work as labourers in their area. they are the muscle as they are local and also have political backup. So it is not a north-indian or south indian problem. it is who is available to get the job done problem as the locals here dont object and a lot of out of state people are willing to pick up the tools.

I am speaking about the state. Mumbai is a totally different situation altogether. it is an economy by itself so no doubt people wanna settle there. Surprisingly everyone even manages to find space in that city. 
 

 

Yeah the problem is mostly in the cities but not just Mumbai but also Pune, Satara, Nagpur etc. I lived in Mumbai for nearly 4 decades and have seen it go from decent-ish place to live to absolute garbage dump, to the point that 5 years ago I sold everything and moved way out in suburbs. It was like watching the population growth problem of India, but 10x FFW. People like to blame the gov but this place never had a hope in hell to fight pandemics, or floods, or terrorist threats.

[Right]

In any state, people avoid local labour even if they have aplenty.

 

it might sound a little controversial but this is what my observation has been having lived in 4 states for a long time.

Being local, sort of gives them some air, some of them show up on job drunk, don’t work diligently and hangout with all kind of wrong people.

 

In MH, I both in Mumbai & Pune, I saw a thing called “Martahadi”. I might be spelling incorrectly, but it means if you employ labourers from other states, these goons show up at your doorstep and ask for what they think is a “compensation”.

 

Of course, they cannot extort this from big parties, but any normal guy paya that off just to keep the trouble away.

 

Big cities must expect a lot of migrant population, but bringing in a cheap labour means there would be a point local population cannot keep up with ever rising cost of decent living. This actually creates more poverty. The city infra can never keep up and everything goes for a toss.

 

Immigrant population cap laws for cities are must. Let supply be little less than demand. This would eventually help to grow other cities.