triggr happy ss Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, adity said: Sony is also being an a**hole for no reason. No details on UI, BC, storage expansion, whether HDD will be allowed for archival, etc. I like that MS is lighting fire under Sony's a*s. I think we can expect a proper GP alternative in next 6-12 months ie. PS5, PS4 game downloads etc. Yes PS now exists but it'll be more publicised and available in most countries. Jim ryan has said they cant have a model like gamepass ,but who will believe him now after this crossgen mess . If it happens it could be a big win for all gamers ,i will happily subscribe the months with releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Kudos to MS marketing team though. They've done an incredible job this time. They've got people to go xbox even before showing anything concrete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Kudos to MS marketing team though. They've done an incredible job this time. They've got people to go xbox even before showing anything concrete. Yes fooling the fools with BS like Series S which is still in stock What a great job MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, AnK said: You still don’t have a single message about online multiplayer in F2P games being locked behind XBL gold pay wall I see no Xbot even raising a question there more worried about the SM lock behind SMMM What about the messaging there?!? Messaging is important. For eg they jacked up the price of XBL Gold by a lot by removing annual option, but you won't hear a peep about it from media or the fanbase. Instead you keep repeating what's great about everything else, let your fanbase keep repeating it, surround yourself with insiders and influencers that also repeat it, and there you go. Now nobody knows that GP costs 2x as much as PSNow and XBLG costs 1.5x as much as PS+, but everybody knows that Sony jacked up next-gen games by $10. This is why messaging and PR is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CarbonCore said: Messaging is important. For eg they jacked up the price of XBL Gold by a lot by removing annual option, but you won't hear a peep about it from media or the fanbase. Instead you keep repeating what's great about everything else, let your fanbase keep repeating it, surround yourself with insiders and influencers that also repeat it, and there you go. Now nobody knows the GP costs 2x as much as PSNow and XBLG costs 1.5x as much as PS+, but everybody knows that Sony jacked up next-gen games by $10. This is why messaging and PR is important. criticizing Sony doesnt mean u are not criticizing Microsoft. both are just mega corporation trying to maximise there profit.Xbox paid the price last gen for there sh*t decisions. Btw psn now is not avaliable in India .. gpu costs 699/month.. psn plus and Xbox live cost 499/month here ... Microsoft stopped 12 months I think due to people upgrading Xbox gold to gpu for 1 dollar. If they don’t restart selling I guess people will be mad and rightly so ... I just bought 6 months live on Xbox for 1.2k btw ... 3 years for 7.5k from Xbox India site Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited September 27, 2020 by hsk_colossus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: criticizing Sony doesnt u are not criticizing Microsoft. both are just mega corporation trying to maximise there profit.Xbox paid the price last gen for there sh*t decisions. Btw psn now is not avaliable in India .. gpu costs 699/month.. psn plus and Xbox live cost 499/month here ... Microsoft stopped 12 months I think due to people upgrading Xbox gold to gpu for 1 dollar. If they don’t restart selling I guess people will be mad and rightly so ... I just bought 6 months live on Xbox for 1.2k btw ... 3 years for 7.5k from Xbox India site Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Prices in India are out of whack for everything. For eg its cheaper to just buy Gears 5 and Ori 2 from steam than subscribe to play them for 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_rock098 Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Prices in India are out of whack for everything. For eg its cheaper to just buy Gears 5 and Ori 2 from steam than subscribe to play them for 2 months.That's thanks to MS following regional pricing for their games. Not a fault of gamepass. Sent from my ASUS_I001DE using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) * Edited September 27, 2020 by hsk_colossus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CarbonCore said: Messaging is important. For eg they jacked up the price of XBL Gold by a lot by removing annual option, but you won't hear a peep about it from media or the fanbase. Instead you keep repeating what's great about everything else, let your fanbase keep repeating it, surround yourself with insiders and influencers that also repeat it, and there you go. Now nobody knows that GP costs 2x as much as PSNow and XBLG costs 1.5x as much as PS+, but everybody knows that Sony jacked up next-gen games by $10. This is why messaging and PR is important. Soooooo . . . . They block F2P games multiplayer, give out pretty much shitty games every month and then charge more than PS+?!? If this were Sony we'd have at least 10 pages of rant from xBoners just for this topic. So if I were on XBox, I can't play Apex Legends simply because multiplayer is locked. Its a shitty move by both Sony abd MS too to lock multiplayer in general behind a paywall but I hope Sony doesn't get ideas from MS and block multiplayer for F2P games too :/ Edited September 27, 2020 by gecko89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 It’s actually pretty shitty that consoles charge for online play ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Lol why would Sony/MS make online play free now? That's basically easy money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 M$ should atleast let the F2P & GamesPass games out of the Gold paywall being free altogether comes later Why do they charge money for multiplayer ? It’s free on PC Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, AnK said: Arrey bhai woh he toh keh raha hu mai bhi I am asking what’s the reasoning for charging money ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, AnK said: M$ should atleast let the F2P & GamesPass games out of the Gold paywall being free altogether comes later They will probably remove it when halo f2p launches but not on gamepass otherwise how will they sell gpu. They do want money .. there was a rumour that gold was going to go but it didn’t ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roun90 Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: I am asking what’s the reasoning for charging money ? Once upon a time, there were 3 Plastic Dabbas. One was called the X360, one was called the PS3 and one was called the Nintendo Wii The 360 Plastic Dabba charged for playing online at all times. The remaining 2 did not. What happened - they built a narrative that the Online of 360 Plastic Dabba was far better and servers were better. After all, free is always bad right? So when the next time they made new Plastic Dabbas, the shareholders of PS4 makers shouted - see what's happening? We offered free and people prefer to pay money. So let us charge for it. And they did. People were very happy. Online service of PS4 Dabba was improved a lot. After all, they charge for it right? The other poor new plastic dabba called Wii U was still good and gave free online. But that dabba was bullied and kicked out because of a bad naming scheme. So a new dabba was made called a Nintendo Switch. Their shareholders also shouted at the directors to charge money for online, because "It improves online Service". hence - all fall down Look at it this way - you are a good person who wants to give something for free. But people want to throw money at you regardless. If you say it's free service - they call you names and bad-mouth your work, because "How can Good Work be Free?" After all charging money is the mark of quality. The more the better. So you quietly give the same service and start charging money. After all, who are you to argue against what the masses want? Now, there is no use in arguing. vast majority of people want to throw money for online. The Dabba makers are used to getting money for online. And the 1-2 voices against it are lost in the crowd. It's quite the same reason why people pay a very high price + premium for Nike and Reebok shoes. They may be poor quality assembled in a sweat-shop somewhere. But "Expensive" and "Brand" is a quality decider all by itself. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, roun90 said: Once upon a time, there were 3 Plastic Dabbas. One was called the X360, one was called the PS3 and one was called the Nintendo Wii The 360 Plastic Dabba charged for playing online at all times. The remaining 2 did not. What happened - they built a narrative that the Online of 360 Plastic Dabba was far better and servers were better. After all, free is always bad right? So when the next time they made new Plastic Dabbas, the shareholders of PS4 makers shouted - see what's happening? We offered free and people prefer to pay money. So let us charge for it. And they did. People were very happy. Online service of PS4 Dabba was improved a lot. After all, they charge for it right? The other poor new plastic dabba called Wii U was still good and gave free online. But that dabba was bullied and kicked out because of a bad naming scheme. So a new dabba was made called a Nintendo Switch. Their shareholders also shouted at the directors to charge money for online, because "It improves online Service". hence - all fall down Look at it this way - you are a good person who wants to give something for free. But people want to throw money at you regardless. If you say it's free service - they call you names and bad-mouth your work, because "How can Good Work be Free?" After all charging money is the mark of quality. The more the better. So you quietly give the same service and start charging money. After all, who are you to argue against what the masses want? Now, there is no use in arguing. vast majority of people want to throw money for online. The Dabba makers are used to getting money for online. And the 1-2 voices against it are lost in the crowd. It's quite the same reason why people pay a very high price + premium for Nike and Reebok shoes. They may be poor quality assembled in a sweat-shop somewhere. But "Expensive" and "Brand" is a quality decider all by itself. Lolz ... pretty good explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, roun90 said: Once upon a time, there were 3 Plastic Dabbas. One was called the X360, one was called the PS3 and one was called the Nintendo Wii Xbox, PS2 and GC. That's how long MS has been charging for online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rAgHaV Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 I know PSN had its issues in PS3 era (mostly downtime related) but man, games like MAG and KZ2 were leagues ahead of the competition (FREE Online PSN era). Sad, most of them flopped and now Sony doesn't care about online as much (which is great). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TouchyFever Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Damn, so it's 1440p 60fps, it still looks gorgeous. I would take this over 4k 30 fps any day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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