Snake Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Vaibhavp said: https://www.polygon.com/2021/8/19/22629431/sony-playstation-vr-studio-csar-combat-search-rescue-canceled Another PlayStation studio closure. Damn. So sad to see them loosing the arms race. I can see why it was shut down, was a badly managed studio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, hsk_colossus said: saying pc won’t be able to run ps5 games is just delusional it would be delusional if I had no backing. And I have solid backing Also, when I say pc, I mean “average” gaming pc meanwhile, you are thinking about rtx 3090 builds which less than 1%, or something, pc gamers would have. Rest would have average builds and PS5 is significantly more powerful than average gaming PCs also, there’s no match for PS5 SSD + I/O complex combo and the game design capabilities that it provides developers 3090 pc build has brute force for fps and resolution but it likely doesn’t have the data streaming capabilities of PS5 architecture (at least not unless you spend 1000s of $) - that’s the secret magic ingredient for other-worldly PS5 exclusives it all adds up Edited August 20, 2021 by 0verlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 You only have to read about how PS5’s SSD, I/O Complex and Kraken Compression all work together. You would easily be on the same page as me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, 0verlord said: it would be delusional if I had no backing Also, when I say pc, I mean “average” gaming pc meanwhile, you are thinking about rtx 3090 builds which less than 1%, or something, pc gamers would have. Rest would have average builds and PS5 is significantly more powerful than average gaming PCs also, there’s no match for PS5 SSD + I/O complex combo and the game design capabilities that it provides developers 3090 pc build has brute force for fps and resolution but it likely doesn’t have the data streaming capabilities of PS5 - that’s the secret magic ingredient for other-worldly PS5 exclusives it all adds up Nothing adds up.. ps5 equates to 2060 level raytracing performance..I am not talking about 3090 etc… I/O is the new buzzword and it’s not the only thing that matters.. what do you think I/O is going to be used for in the future.. we haven’t seen anything yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMNTR Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, PhantomShade said: Why are you arguing on a guy who is being an >ironic or >sarcastic "PS Fanboy" by acting like he's Hope or some sh*t? He's not being sarcastic. He really believes that. Edited August 20, 2021 by TRMNTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, PhantomShade said: Why are you arguing on a guy who is being an >ironic or >sarcastic "PS Fanboy" by acting like he's Hope or some sh*t? rubbish don’t speak about me again. I have spent hours reading about this matter and watched “The Road to PS5” architecture video many times what do you know? I’ve not heard any technical argument from you countering what I am saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: ps5 equates to 2060 level raytracing performance..I am not talking about 3090 etc… I/O is the new buzzword and it’s not the only thing that matters.. what do you think I/O is going to be used for in the future.. we haven’t seen anything yet.. 1) gpu and TFs don’t matter. PS5 already gives enough resolution and fps 2) here’s what makes the difference - The data streaming capabilities will make the game worlds ultra detailed. Details need data and data streaming Today, average PC has hdd and ratchet and clank rift apart can’t run on those PCs becoz super fast data streaming on PS5 and that data streaming pipeline not yet fully utilised!!! We are only at the beginning. Imagine the data that will be streamed when peak PS5 exclusives come out and how detailed the world will be that’s the difference pcie 3 is saturated at 3.5gbps and pcie 4 at 7gbps - that’s pc for you meanwhile on ps5, the data streaming output capacity is upto 22gbps!!! with proper kraken data. Imagine the worlds and the details that can be designed on this hardware which pc SSD can give 22gbps of data throughput capability? Impossible at average PC level Edited August 20, 2021 by 0verlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, 0verlord said: 1) gpu and TFs don’t matter. PS5 already gives enough resolution and fps 2) here’s what makes the difference - The data streaming capabilities will make the game worlds ultra detailed. Details need data and data streaming ultra detailed worlds don’t need CPU & GPU & RAM?? Only need DATA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, hsk_colossus said: ultra detailed worlds don’t need CPU & GPU & RAM?? Only need DATA The I/O complex can handle things that are very complex, and when the Kraken gets released nothing can overlord sorry overload it. Ps: Sorry I really need to sleep, been awake for a good 22 hrs straight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnackChap Posted August 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Snake said: I can see why it was shut down, was a badly managed studio Not a loss tbh. 1. It was a vr only studio. Would've pissed off a lot of guys if Liverpool & evo died for this. 2. The game they were making sounded terrible. Playstation 1 concept title like g police 3. First time Im hearing that the studio closed because there was NO pressure from the higher ups and they were allowed to do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: ultra detailed worlds don’t need CPU & GPU & RAM?? Only need DATA PS5 has powerful CPU, GPU and RAM combo. It’s sufficient. Meanwhile, others don’t have data streaming capabilities (which ps5 has) which is necessary for ultra detailed worlds - that’s the key ingredient Edited August 20, 2021 by 0verlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) There’s a dedicated data decompressor in the PS5 I/O complex which is designed keeping in mind Kraken compression data with proper Kraken format compressed data, the 5.5gbps PS5 SSD transforms into a 22gbps this is assets and textures data - details in the world which can be streamed on-the-fly when you are moving the character because the architecture supports massive on-the-fly data streaming, world design capability for a developer with PS5 will surpass any other platform Edited August 20, 2021 by 0verlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KnackChap Posted August 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 If he makes one then I hope it's at in the cyberpunk'ish universe or snatcher or atleast give us a remake or even remaster of the old title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMNTR Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Kojima could do wonders in the Cyberpunk genre. Just recreate Tokyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Tokyo aesthetics + Mumbai chaos = cyberpunk basically But as per khufiya sources, he is working on Abandoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMNTR Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Tokyo aesthetics + Mumbai chaos = cyberpunk basically Tokyo is already very chaotic. Tokyo at night is more Cyberpunk than Cyberpunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, playstationdude said: But as per khufiya sources, he is working on Abandoned. You mean @AnK is the source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Tokyo reminds me . . whatever the hell happened to Ghostwire: Tokyo?! That and Deathloop were announced together iirc, we've had steady stream of info for Deathloop but nothing for Ghostwire: Tokyo :/ Edited August 20, 2021 by gecko89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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