The Playstation 5 thread

[CarbonCore]

16 minutes ago, koolkunz said:

The main benefit of VRR will be with 120fps gaming not so much with 60fps and none with 30fps.

 

Lg oleds have vrr range of 120-40fps

Sony and samsung tvs have vrr range of 120-48fps.

 

Any games that run at framrates below that will not benefit from vrr at all. (Meaning vrr is useless for games running at 30fps).

 

It will help in handling small drops in 60fps games but that's it.

 

Yes anything above 40fps will benefit from it. Considering how many games run in unlock mode but fail to reach 60fps, VRR is as much of a game changer as G-sync is. You don't need VRR for 30fps because as it is the latency is pretty high so you don't lose anything by having a v-sync on.

[koolkunz]

6 minutes ago, CarbonCore said:

 

Yes anything above 40fps will benefit from it. Considering how many games run in unlock mode but fail to reach 60fps, VRR is as much of a game changer as G-sync is. You don't need VRR for 30fps because as it is the latency is pretty high so you don't lose anything by having a v-sync on.

40 only on lg tvs..sony samsung 48

[CarbonCore]

39 minutes ago, koolkunz said:

40 only on lg tvs..sony samsung 48

 

It doesn't actually activate or deactivate at that framerate, its always on. LG says its more effective at 40+ and others say 48+. Those are for native 4K and these TVs can't do LFC and frame doubling at native 4K. If you check the specs they all support minimum 20fps VRR at 1440p and 1080p. I think the latest LG model does support LFC at 4K but I'm not sure.

[ViCK]

4 hours ago, l33tmaniac said:

 

It may. But you'll still likely miss on HDR. Even the best of monitors lack as far as HDR is concerned. 

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B07X8HBHJP/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A14CZOWI0VEHLG&psc=1 

this is what im eye'ing at right now. it doesnt have true HDR but some gimmick called HDRi.

I am seeing some monitors at the 30-40k range that does have HDR. 

Like for example as https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07R7636MH/?coliid=I1JU0M8EEFRW76&colid=22095RCX1AT0Z&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it 

or

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B08CF4GK96/?coliid=I3B62PSG40DXQ1&colid=22095RCX1AT0Z&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it 

mentions it does have HDR10 . So Am i missing something here as im not very well versed in HDR stuff or does HDR 2k/4k monitors are starting become affordable? 

Any suggestions in this regard would be very helpful... i dont mind sticking to 1080p if it has 144hz and HDR or a 1440p monitor as the BENQ in the first link. 4k is too far fetched for my PC right now so thats out of the picture. 

[koolkunz]

26 minutes ago, CarbonCore said:

 

It doesn't actually activate or deactivate at that framerate, its always on. LG says its more effective at 40+ and others say 48+. Those are for native 4K and these TVs can't do LFC and frame doubling at native 4K. If you check the specs they all support minimum 20fps VRR at 1440p and 1080p. I think the latest LG model does support LFC at 4K but I'm not sure.

I can't find any mention of 20fps minimum on lg official website specs for CX

[l33tmaniac]

1 hour ago, ViCK said:

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B07X8HBHJP/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A14CZOWI0VEHLG&psc=1 

this is what im eye'ing at right now. it doesnt have true HDR but some gimmick called HDRi.

I am seeing some monitors at the 30-40k range that does have HDR. 

Like for example as https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07R7636MH/?coliid=I1JU0M8EEFRW76&colid=22095RCX1AT0Z&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it 

or

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B08CF4GK96/?coliid=I3B62PSG40DXQ1&colid=22095RCX1AT0Z&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it 

mentions it does have HDR10 . So Am i missing something here as im not very well versed in HDR stuff or does HDR 2k/4k monitors are starting become affordable? 

Any suggestions in this regard would be very helpful... i dont mind sticking to 1080p if it has 144hz and HDR or a 1440p monitor as the BENQ in the first link. 4k is too far fetched for my PC right now so thats out of the picture. 

 

Far from an expert, but sharing what I know. HDR really stands out when your panel has local dimming so that the HDR zones get bright. Most TVs or even monitors for that matter lack this and the highlights don't look that great. Even though folks advertise certain monitors as HDR10, they might be an 8bit panel with FRC  to approximate them.

If you are a PC gamer primarily, then going for a 144Hz panel is a no brainer. However, if  you are primarily looking at consoles, then a TV may suit you better. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by l33tmaniac

[CarbonCore]

1 hour ago, koolkunz said:

I can't find any mention of 20fps minimum on lg official website specs for CX

 

It is there in older models but not the new ones like C series.

 

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/variable-refresh-rate

 

But if you look at the G-sync spec, it is compatible with that. And G-sync already includes LFC and frame doubling to push you beyond minimum hz.

[kittoo]

I see a lot of discussion and confusion on HDR etc here. Posting a post I made on Neogaf. Its like an introduction/primer on HDR in layman terms. Hopefully it will help a few people.

 

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HDR is basically different brightness for different elements shown on screen. For example, if you are in a cave with pitch black darkness, you should ideally see nothing. Then as someone turns on a torch, the torch should be extremely bright. Or in a scene where there is a tree with shade, sunshine all around and then sun in the sky, the sun should very bright, the sunshine area should also be pretty bright and the tree shade should be not as bright. The sun area of your TV should be such that you hesitate to look at it directly, like in real life. This brightness difference in different part of the screen, based on what that part of screen is showing, is basically- HDR.
And how do we measure the brightness? we measure it in nits, as far as the TVs are concerned. The higher the nits, the brighter the panel is. These cheap TVs, they just basically make their panels in such a way that they cover the absolute minimum brightness requirement to get HDR certified. And that is 300 or 400 nits. So lets say you get a cheap HDR TV. You fire up HDR content and then you cant really see any difference between brightness of the sun and tree shade in the scene and you say- what the big deal is about? What is even HDR? It looks same as usual content.
Then you get a good HDR TV, maybe a LG C9 or extremely high end Samsung etc. You fire up the same content. And how the sun is blinding you, the sunshine is bright and the tree shade looks like real calm place- like if you were looking at all those in real life. Then you will go damn! I dont want to look at the sun, the sunshine is making everything bright. This is great! This is like real life.
Then you play games and random sunshine reflecting on water starts looking amazing. The sunshine peering through clouds is mind-blowing. Then you realize how good HDR makes everything.
There is another twist here though, which is part 2 of my post. And these are black levels.
Black levels are basically how dim a particular area of your TV can go. Taking the example of the cave again. We all have noticed that such dark areas on our TVs are never truly black. They look more grayish. This is because all panels except OLEDs, have a panel behind them which lights up. No matter how neatly the panel tries to light up one area and turn off another area, some light will bleed. So when someone turns on the torch in the cave, the light of the torch will light up areas its not supposed to light up too. Because what the TV is trying to do is light up area where the torch light is, but keep other areas as dark as possible. And due to the way TVs work, some light is bound to bleed in other areas too. There is never true darkness. This is something called contrast ratio/black levels.
And when HDR is concerned, as I mentioned we measure it in brightness. But every bright is bright with reference to something. For example, you put a bright sun on a TV screen where all area other than the sun is also white. Both are bright, sun is brighter. Then you put the same sun in a pitch black area, suddenly sun seems much brighter- even though in intensity its the same as it was on a white background.
This is where OLEDs come in. OLEDs do not have a panel behind then lighting up the screen. In an OLED, each pixel can turn itself on and off. So there is no light to bleed. The torch will light up exactly the pixels it needs to, rest will be pitch black. So technically OLEDs have infinite contrast ratio or perfect black levels. Remember the example of sun we discussed above, against white background? Now that everything else is pitch black, the sun seems oh so much brighter. OLEDs can make everything else pitch black. All other TVs cant. So an LG C9, which is around 800 nits, is often judged as brighter by most people when put side by side with a Samsung Q70, which around 1400 nits but is not OLED. This is purely because the darks are so perfect in an OLED, they pop everything else. The brights look so much brighter, the colors look so much better.
So basically what I am trying to say is
4K HDR OLED from LG/Sony/Panasonic>High end QLED from Samsung>Any shitty cheap Chinese sh*t which just barely makes the HDR cut.
In fact, the cheap HDR TVs shouldnt even be in the consideration here. If you want the best right now, go for C9 or CX. You wont be disappointed.
 

Update- Should mention that in SDR content on Samsung QLEDs still looks brighter than OLEDs, and even in some HDR scenes where brightness needs to fill the whole screen. So if you use your monitor/TV on a very bright room, QLEDs might be a better choice. But if your room is a darker room or at least where you can adjust the light coming from outside, OLEDs become no brainer.

Also, the new Vizio OLEDs also seem pretty good with reasonable pricing.

Edited September 28, 2020 by kittoo

[Messy]

Sabse sasta 120fps TV?? Jiske liye kidney na bechni pade? 

Edited September 28, 2020 by Messy

[koolkunz]

19 minutes ago, Messy said:

Sabse sasta 120fpa TV?? Jiske liye kidney na bechni pade? 

Samsung the frame 2020...55 inch model should be 70k or less at diwali. (50 inch model is 60hz so don't get that).

 

Edit: The frame cant do 4k120 but 1440p/1080p120 is supported with VRR. 4k60 is supported with VRR also.

Edited September 28, 2020 by koolkunz

[CarbonCore]

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[PhantomShade]

Is this the TV thread or PS5 thread

[Walker]

6 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

Is this the TV thread or PS5 thread

one thread to rule them all

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, Walker said:

one thread to rule them all

 

Please take the discussion to the TV thread.

 

I'll not say it again.

[quixote_1989]

9 minutes ago, Walker said:

one thread to rule them all

 

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

 

Please take the discussion to the TV thread.

 

I'll not say it again.

I don’t think Walker was the one discussing TVs

[Walker]

Edited September 28, 2020 by Walker

[CarbonCore]

21 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

Is this the TV thread or PS5 thread

Its alright if people ask about next-gen specific stuff like VRR or 120hz etc. The TV thread is more generic stuff.

[ayush12ice]

9 hours ago, Snake said:

 

Is it ribbed for, umm, better grip

 

 

[quixote_1989]

3 minutes ago, ayush12ice said:

Is it ribbed for, umm, better grip

 

[hsk_colossus]

Xbox series x previews showing reduced load times... wonder much much faster ps5 be? I guess half the Xsx times ?