The Xbox Series X|S thread

[Big Boss]

What games from gamepass can even run on switch lol. If ms was that forthcoming, they would have treated PC gamepass same as Xbox game pass. Currently PC gamepass is lite version of console game pass. I can't believe people are not able to see through the bullshit. Sony's psnow is already offering gamepass service, why would MS or sony even expect people to pay for another subscription service which offers same thing? Most of the 3rd party games are same as Xbox game pass. Does anyone really think that Microsoft studios are going to optimise first party games for PS5? Phil Spencer spews bs like a uncontrollable water hose. And people just lap it up lol.

[hsk_colossus]

What games from gamepass can even run on switch lol. why would MS or sony even expect people to pay for another subscription service which offers same thing? Most of the 3rd party games are same as Xbox game pass. Does anyone really think that Microsoft studios are going to optimise first party games for PS5? Phil Spencer spews bs like a uncontrollable water hose. And people just lap it up lol.

Probably gonna streaming on Nintendo system...
Same way people pay for multiple video streaming services.. exclusive content is going to matter...

Anyways gamepass is not gonna come to ps ... never gonna happen..


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[Right]

Ganepass cannot come to PS/NINTY systems because biggest draw on these systems are FP IPs.

Especially, Nintendo has been a sales nightmare for TP published games.

 

A Gamepass service on SWITCH will be DoA, if at least 50% titles are not NIntendo FPs. So why wouldn’t Ninetendo will do their own Gamepass.

 

On PS it makes a little sense but then I don’t see anyone dying to play Gears or Halo on it.

[CarbonCore]

51 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

What games from gamepass can even run on switch lol. If ms was that forthcoming, they would have treated PC gamepass same as Xbox game pass. Currently PC gamepass is lite version of console game pass. I can't believe people are not able to see through the bullshit. Sony's psnow is already offering gamepass service, why would MS or sony even expect people to pay for another subscription service which offers same thing? Most of the 3rd party games are same as Xbox game pass. Does anyone really think that Microsoft studios are going to optimise first party games for PS5? Phil Spencer spews bs like a uncontrollable water hose. And people just lap it up lol.

 

There's stuff like Ori, Cuphead, MC Dungeons etc that runs very well on Switch. And they can downscale stuff like Gears Tactics, Wasteland 3, Grounded. Heck they managed to run Outer World on it even if it looks like crap. There's shitton of filler on GP that already has a Switch version. Its not going to happen though because Nintendo will not give up 30% of full priced games for someone else's subscription.

[sobbii]

 
There's stuff like Ori, Cuphead, MC Dungeons etc that runs very well on Switch. And they can downscale stuff like Gears Tactics, Wasteland 3, Grounded. Heck they managed to run Outer World on it even if it looks like crap. There's shitton of filler on GP that already has a Switch version. Its not going to happen though because Nintendo will not give up 30% of full priced games for someone else's subscription.

It's not coming to either consoles it's just all pr talk trying to look good so later they can say they weren't allowed to put gamepass on either consoles and make the other companies look like villains..


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[roun90]

39 minutes ago, Right said:

Ganepass cannot come to PS/NINTY systems because biggest draw on these systems are FP IPs.

Especially, Nintendo has been a sales nightmare for TP published games.

 

A Gamepass service on SWITCH will be DoA, if at least 50% titles are not NIntendo FPs. So why wouldn’t Ninetendo will do their own Gamepass.

 

On PS it makes a little sense but then I don’t see anyone dying to play Gears or Halo on it.

 

Gamepass will not come to PS because Sony will have to kill their PS Now Service if it comes. Plus, MS will have full control over GamePass and all titles offered - Something Sony cannot afford on their own system. For example, Metro 4 releases on PS and Xbox. MS puts the new Metro game on Gamepass. MS will earn full revenue on GP from Xbox and PC. MS will also earn most of the revenue from GP on PS. And because it's on GP in PS, no one will buy it - which means Sony will earn very less to minimal revenue from game sales on it's own system.

 

Gamepass will not come to Nintendo - because it's Nintendo. They do not believe in free games or games for cheap. To give an example, their free games with Nintendo Switch Online are all NES Games. That is, they give out stuff like Excite Bike, Mario 1, Super Mario Bros etc. with their NSO sub. At least PS and Xbox give out free games of the same system with their sub services. Technically, games will run because of xCloud. Just like how Xbox games are running on all the Mi phones. But Nintendo themselves would not be interested.

 

Overall, I do not see GP coming to either systems, unless there is a major shift in the industry. Removing Xbox as a competitor is not worth the amount of control both companies will lose if they allow GP on their platforms. It will remain what it is - a PR statement with talks not progressing at all (If it even starts).

[triggr happy ss]

Looks so good with RT ?

[Big Boss]

If you remove street puddles there is not much difference. This is why the game has puddles all over streets even if it doesn't rain like ever. I wonder if RT is even worth the performance hit if there are not many reflective surfaces. For example, some scenes look identical when there is no water on the streets, but pretty sure performance impact will be there. Hopefully devs are able to achieve a good balance and focus more on performance than some additional reflections. Mafia 1 for example looks fantastic on one x and reflections are on par with RT. I have no idea what tech is that game using. But if they use that tech, 60 fps can happen.

[STICK3Rboy]

55 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

If you remove street puddles there is not much difference. This is why the game has puddles all over streets even if it doesn't rain like ever. I wonder if RT is even worth the performance hit if there are not many reflective surfaces. For example, some scenes look identical when there is no water on the streets, but pretty sure performance impact will be there. Hopefully devs are able to achieve a good balance and focus more on performance than some additional reflections. Mafia 1 for example looks fantastic on one x and reflections are on par with RT. I have no idea what tech is that game using. But if they use that tech, 60 fps can happen.

 

I think WD: L uses RT only for reflections and from the looks of things, it is the only major difference between the One X and SX versions.

But RT is not just reflections. It's used in lighting and shadows as well. Take a look at this video from 13:54 onwards. The difference is kinda like switching AO on and off. 

 

 

 

I've never played a game with RT but I feel that even with just reflections, the game would feel a lot more immersive.

Of course, whether it is worth the performance hit is subjective. But that is why it's good that games will have different graphics modes.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by STICK3Rboy

[Snake]

14 hours ago, Joe Cool said:

 

Hair / facial hair is total trash. 

 

 

 

 

 

This looks like they ripped it straight from  Mass Effect.

[Big Boss]

13 minutes ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

I think WD: L uses RT only for reflections and from the looks of things, it is the only major difference between the One X and SX versions.

But RT is not just reflections. It's used in lighting and shadows as well. Take a look at this video from 13:54 onwards. The difference is kinda like switching AO on and off. 

 

 

 

I've never played a game with RT but I feel that even with just reflections, the game would feel a lot more immersive.

Of course, whether it is worth the performance hit is subjective. But that is why it's good that games will have different graphics modes.

 

 

Yeah, I would happily switch to higher fps mode though. 

[Right]

1 hour ago, adity said:

I can't believe there are 5 pages of discussion on this thing every 2 days. 

Yeah. This is the most pointless thing that is being discussed again and again from quite some time.

 

PSNOW + PSPLUS is pretty much all one needs on PS. It's more than enough and will become awesome with PS+ Coll

[Right]

1 hour ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

 

 

I hope this tech becomes main-stream because it can make your eyes pop if used well.

[hsk_colossus]

https://gfycat.com/oilyphonychicken
Ray tracing looks pretty good but higher FPS would be better

[WhatsInTheName]

3 hours ago, Big Boss said:

If you remove street puddles there is not much difference. This is why the game has puddles all over streets even if it doesn't rain like ever. 

 

Its London. Its always rainy  

 

9 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

https://gfycat.com/oilyphonychicken
Ray tracing looks pretty good but higher FPS would be better

 

That one corner of the building can bring any system to its knees. 

[gecko89]

12 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

https://gfycat.com/oilyphonychicken
Ray tracing looks pretty good but higher FPS would be better

This is pretty sweet.

 

That said, if I had to pick between 60fps and Ray Tracing, I'll pick the former without thinking twice.

[Big Boss]

35 minutes ago, WhatsInTheName said:

 

Its London. Its always rainy  

 

 

That one corner of the building can bring any system to its knees. 

Yeah but I saw a comparison video where the reviewer said he never saw actual rain in the game but puddles were always there. Looks like they went with stereotype of puddles rather than actual weather system like London.

[WhatsInTheName]

42 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

Yeah but I saw a comparison video where the reviewer said he never saw actual rain in the game but puddles were always there. Looks like they went with stereotype of puddles rather than actual weather system like London.

 

Lol. That was a joke. And yeah, a dynamic weather system in this game would mean the base consoles wouldn't even load the level

 

All this "puddle talk" is reminding me some Spiderman puddle conspiracy though. 

[STICK3Rboy]

44 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

Yeah but I saw a comparison video where the reviewer said he never saw actual rain in the game but puddles were always there.

 

Yeah, I remember hearing that too. But a quick youtube search shows that there is rain in the game. Maybe they patched it in later.

The rain itself doesn't look too great though.

 

 

 

Also, came across this video. There's no actual rain in it but the reflections look amazing!

 

 

[Big Boss]

Yeah the reflections look great, though still not convinced if they are worth performance impact. Mafia 1 definitive edition has amazing reflections, and pretty sure it can run at 60 fps on next gen. DF mentioned devs are using some special technique that mimics RT and doesn't have performance impact.