The Xbox Series X|S thread

[WhiteWolf]

3 minutes ago, AnK said:

I don’t know if it was Don 

but whoever spent gazillions of dollars on Kinnect instead of building exclusive games & studios & tried to market Xbox as an all stop TV machine 

 

was responsible behind nullification of the success achieved by Xbox360 in its first 3-4 years 

Don  was that guy, he convinced MS that Kinect can make Xbox stand out lol. He said that controller creates boundaries and Kinect can help remove those boundaries coz people who cant use controller can just wave their hands play games that way lol

 

 

Don was the worst, i cant stand anyone defending that a**hole who killed entire brand in just 24 hours. Phill criticism is valid but he 1000 times better than Don

Edited July 26, 2020 by WhiteWolf

[kmkaks]

Don ruined Xbox, I don’t know why this is even being debated here.

 

Let me state the obvious again:
 

He tried to convert Xbox into a 1080P streaming machine.

 

He tried to push always online when half the world did not have proper internet.
 

He tried to stop us from selling used games.

 

He spend money on developing Kinect instead of spending on GPU/CPU. 

 

PLUS HE HAD A VERY PUNCHABLE FACE!

Edited July 26, 2020 by kmkaks

[PhantomShade]

1 minute ago, HundredProofSam said:

A lot of things went right for Microsoft in the 360 days, and much of it was Sony helping thing (seems kind of like how MS seems to be helping Sony now).

360 launched earlier than PS3 so it already had a sizeable install base to give them an upper hand when negotiating timed/console exclusives with third parties

It was cheaper than PS3

It was easier to develop for so even though it was less powerful, devs were more happy to use it as lead platform

PS3's complex hardware meant PS3 versions of third party games (especially early in the life cycle) were often delayed by months, giving 360 time exclusivity without even asking for it

360 also had great first-party games

 

They dropped the ball on pretty much all these things with the Xbox One, and yeah, Don Mattrick should take a lot of blame for this.

 

Thing is, after Don Mattrick, anyone MS put as head of Xbox would be seen as a saviour. And for a long time, Phil said all the right thing. But now that he's been in the job for several years, a lot of it has been all talk.

 

Even third party publishers have complained of not getting any support from MS (for games where MS has a marketing deal with them). I've experienced this first-hand when talking to a publisher about pre-release previews for a MS-backed game.

 

Sony started doing comeback in just 3-4 years of the PS360 gen though, by 2010-2012 they had peaked atleast in the exclusives department.

MS was twiddling thumbs this whole gen, and probably next gen too, apart from "Hehe kiddo, we have gamepass".

They literally seem to lack the urge to compete, they have given up and accepted their fate, 13 TFLOPs of powa wasted   .

 

 

[RV1709]

2 minutes ago, HundredProofSam said:

But by the time the PS3 got into its stride, 360 had already won that generation Actually it was Wii that won but... yeah.

 

And PSN was pretty much a joke throughout the PS3 generation, while Xbox Live was killing it. It was almost as if Sony started building PSN after launching the console.

Even with the head start that Xbox 360 had, didn’t they eventually tie in hardware sales ? I believe X would have made more money from a service perspective as LIVE/Gold was a paid service 

[kmkaks]

TBF the 360 was sub par too, I mean they were so full of vision that they launched hardware without WiFi, HDMI and HDD, which had record failure rate and connectivity issue.

 

Also forgot to mention HD DVD! I read the original 360 released with wired joysticks, what a POS.

 

They just got lucky with Sony making the stupid cell.

Edited July 26, 2020 by kmkaks

[PhantomShade]

7 minutes ago, kmkaks said:

TBF the 360 was sub par too, I mean they were so full of vision that they launched hardware without WiFi, HDMI and HDD, which had record failure rate and connectivity issue.

 

Also forgot to mention HD DVD!

 

They just got lucky with Sony making the stupid cell.

 

Hard to develop for CELL + $600 + "We want gamers to work extra hours to buy PS3  " + launching 1 year late

[TRMNTR]

Luck is a bad way of putting things. That's like saying Sony was lucky because 360 had RROD issues that destroyed the Xbox brand reputation.

[playstationdude]

I think the RROD issue did scare the sh*t out of people, as even in Palika the sellers I knew told me not to buy a 360. 

The failure rate was very high for the first gen 360, I mean it was like the spiderman meme. Everywhere I went, I saw people's 360 failing. Even on IVG a lot of people had the issue.

[rAgHaV]

1 hour ago, PhantomShade said:

 

Hard to develop for CELL + $600 + "We want gamers to work extra hours to buy PS3  " + launching 1 year late

 

That was such a disaster. Considering they took another 2yrs post launch to come up with exclusives better than lair

 

Also PSN was a disaster at launch. There was no in game messaging at all. You had to quit the game to msg ppl initially   while Xbox in game menu felt a generation ahead. Really amazing how Sony turned the tables over the course of ps3 generation. 

Edited July 26, 2020 by rAgHaV

[Right]

RROD wasn't an issue because within days you get replacement ofcourse unless you have purchased from grey markets like Palika or got an OOR Console, then you are screwed.

Most of Indian users who purchased their PS2s from grey fell to this.

 

I used 3 Xboxes between 2007 to 2013. Last one got RRODd outside the warranty that is 3 yrs from date of purchase of very first one, and I still got a free replacement, home delivered everytime.

 

MS had to make up for the fkup by extended warranty and top notch CC, which they did.

And then once they got Arcade, it all slowly went off.

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Right

[rAgHaV]

43 minutes ago, playstationdude said:

I think the RROD issue did scare the sh*t out of people, as even in Palika the sellers I knew told me not to buy a 360. 

The failure rate was very high for the first gen 360, I mean it was like the spiderman meme. Everywhere I went, I saw people's 360 failing. Even on IVG a lot of people had the issue.

 

Yeah. Although MS India support was solid. They used to pick up console from home and hand over the replacement too. 

 

Sony India support has always been 50% cost do aur naya kadak vaala maal lo.

[CarbonCore]

1 hour ago, kmkaks said:

TBF the 360 was sub par too, I mean they were so full of vision that they launched hardware without WiFi, HDMI and HDD, which had record failure rate and connectivity issue.

 

Also forgot to mention HD DVD! I read the original 360 released with wired joysticks, what a POS.

 

They just got lucky with Sony making the stupid cell.

 

Wired controller, no hard drive, basic A/V cables, no LAN cable, no chat mic and no BC support. But at least it was $299.

[WhiteWolf]

3 hours ago, AnK said:

Yeah 360 was successful because of exclusives games & smooth online experience 

 

Like

Ghost Recon,

Call of Duty 2,

Gears,

Bioshock,

Mass Effect,

Left fir Dead,

Fable,

Halo,

Forza,

Orange Box,

Conviction,

Liberty City

etc 

 

till the time it had awesome exclusives it did good 

moment they stopped PS started taking over again 

 

M$ should have realised that 

None of them were 1st party outside of Fable and Halo. All were 2nd party exclusives, some were permanent like Gears and some were timed exclusives like Mass effect, bioshock, orange box n all. Don did nothing to bring those IPs to console. It was Peter Moore and Shane kim during early 360 days and before that Sheamus blackley and one more person (forgot the name). IPs that Don brought were Ryse, Titan fall and QB(coz of TV show integration) and Sunset. But all of them bombed except Titanfall as people were talking about resolution more than games itself.

 

 

And one of the main reason behind 360 success was blunder by Sony at Launch with pricing, complex and hard develope Cell aprchitecture and messaging. But they ended up recovering big time but MS started going downhill in term of games after 2010, when Don went hard on Kinect.

 

 

Now for 1st time, there's some hope that  in future around 2022 we might see some quality Xbox games that we saw in early 360 days thanks to Obsidian, PG and NT n all. We will not see ND calibur games but can expect good games which will not become memes.

 

 

Now im not excited for future Gears n all.  Gears reached the point that it needs to evolved big time now atleast in SP department.

 

I want to see stuff from Initiative, PG, NT and Obsidian. What these Studios can do to change narrative that people have towards Xbox now. 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by WhiteWolf

[KnackChap]

32 minutes ago, rAgHaV said:

 

 

 

Also PSN was a disaster at launch. There was no in game messaging at all. You had to quit the game to msg ppl initially   while Xbox in game menu felt a generation ahead. Really amazing how Sony turned the tables over the course of ps3 generation. 

 

Disaster would be putting it mildly. . At launch you couldn't Even bring up the xmb menu ingame without closing the game first. Couldn't chat, no bg music support ( completely useless. was last gens xbox has BC card), psn store was just a web page. Couldnt download games in bg while playing etc etc. 

[TRMNTR]

44 minutes ago, Right said:

RROD wasn't an issue because within days you get replacement ofcourse unless you have purchased from grey markets like Palika or got an OOR Console, then you are screwed.

Most of Indian users who purchased their PS2s from grey fell to this.

 

I used 3 Xboxes between 2007 to 2013. Last one got RRODd outside the warranty that is 3 yrs from date of purchase of very first one, and I still got a free replacement, home delivered everytime.

 

MS had to make up for the fkup by extended warranty and top notch CC, which they did.

And then once they got Arcade, it all slowly went off.

 

 

Dude, RROD was a big issue. Free replacements or not, I remember some people had to wait long to get their replacements. It was hell back then. Granted MS was so scared they literally gave out lifetime warranty and were willing to replace Xbox's without RROD issues as well. The support they provided for the problem they caused was excellent. 

[TRMNTR]

Games aside, anyone here who's planning to buy the next-gen consoles in the first year solely on the basis of *i-love-new-tech*?

 

PS - I am. 

[TRMNTR]

1 minute ago, HundredProofSam said:

PS5 for sure. Xbox SX if the hype gets to me , but I'll try to resist. For some reason I just can't enjoy Forza Horizon 4 on PC. '

 

Whenever I do buy it, XSX will pretty much be exclusively a Forza machine. 

 

Do you own a racing wheel? I can't seem to enjoy racing games on a controller.

[KunjanPSD]

30 minutes ago, -13- said:

Games aside, anyone here who's planning to buy the next-gen consoles in the first year solely on the basis of *i-love-new-tech*?

 

PS - I am. 

Absolutely. Ps5 Day 1 for sure.

Third party games will probably receive a patch, for some it is confirmed.

 

And I upgraded to a Ps4 Pro. Though I did sell it but even if I didn't, would have upgraded.

 

Series X? Probably not. I am too a big forza fan and don't see the new one coming out soon.

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by kunjanp

[Pacifier]

28 minutes ago, -13- said:

Games aside, anyone here who's planning to buy the next-gen consoles in the first year solely on the basis of *i-love-new-tech*?

 

PS - I am. 

^^ I was looking forward for Lockhart if the price was good and releasing in India alongside all countries. Especially since i have 1080p displays and if i have to get ps5, i need to spend on upgrading TV as well.

I generally get the console with someone who is travelling from USA during the release year. For PS4 i got the uncharted Collection bundle for 299$ , PS3 was a used one with RDR for 225$ in 2010 i think.

Given the current circumstances, it is highly unlikely to rely on that option.

 

But if they launch it at a kick a*s price with a decent bundle and start giving out new PS Plus games, might buy the PS5 first 6 months along with a good 4K TV.

 

Edit: To add, i only have base Ps4/Xbox one(friends' which i have to return) and didn't purchase recent PS4 games.

So buying PS5 and playing TLOU2/GOT/Cyberpunk/SpiderMan MM + others should be a good launch lineup as well

 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Pacifier

[TRMNTR]

6 minutes ago, AnK said:

You say this because you probably didn’t upgrade mid-gen to OneX or Pro 

 

Not really. I just like new tech but hate mid-gen upgrades. Same goes for phones. I hate those mid-year phones. I never get those. It's probably the reason why I subconsciously hated the mid-gen console upgrades. I mean I get why they do it but I can't stand them.