Jigsaw Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Tested negative finally. But this f**king virus, man. A very brief brisk walk and tired and breathless as f**k. Slow recovery. Get well bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Government has announced that people should take vaccine 3 months after recovering from infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Boss said: Government has announced that people should take vaccine 3 months after recovering from infection. How do they plan to identify who’s had it or not? There would so millions who silently had it and overcame without even knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Just now, Jigsaw said: How do they plan to identify who’s had it or not? There would so millions who silently had it and overcame without even knowing. It will be based on personal decision I guess. Basically they are indirectly saying that vaccine is useless if taken within 3 months. So if people want to waste their efforts to take vaccine it's their choice. I don't know if vaccine has any effect if you already have antibodies. Won't the antibodies just kill the vaccine and render it ineffective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Boss said: It will be based on personal decision I guess. Basically they are indirectly saying that vaccine is useless if taken within 3 months. So if people want to waste their efforts to take vaccine it's their choice. I don't know if vaccine has any effect if you already have antibodies. Won't the antibodies just kill the vaccine and render it ineffective? If they are insinuating 2nd dose within 90 days is ineffective now, what happens to all those who are already done mostly inside 4-6 weeks? They’ll again choch-maarofy in our stock later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhpian Bali Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Big Boss said: Won't the antibodies just kill the vaccine and render it ineffective? I guess you just wrote how vaccines should work. Edited May 19, 2021 by Bhpian Bali 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtheK Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 17 hours ago, Big Boss said: Brilliant video. @Bird Bird Bird anything wrong with his observations you feel? He seems to have given perfect explanation for everything. Beautiful Isn't it? I wish I had a professor like him in my student life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunjanPSD Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Big Boss said: It will be based on personal decision I guess. Basically they are indirectly saying that vaccine is useless if taken within 3 months. So if people want to waste their efforts to take vaccine it's their choice. I don't know if vaccine has any effect if you already have antibodies. Won't the antibodies just kill the vaccine and render it ineffective? https://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/covid-19-difference-between-antibodies-from-vaccines-and-antibodies-from-infection/amp_articleshow/82687650.cms In short, vaccines target specific parts of a virus while natural infection doesn't always. In case of Covidshield, it's the spike protein attached to a chimpanzee adenovirus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said: https://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/covid-19-difference-between-antibodies-from-vaccines-and-antibodies-from-infection/amp_articleshow/82687650.cms In short, vaccines target specific parts of a virus while natural infection doesn't always. In case of Covidshield, it's the spike protein attached to a chimpanzee adenovirus. But will the antibodies just not kill the vaccine thinking it as Covid virus even if it's spike protein attached to adenovirus? Otherwise what's the reason people ask to wait for 1-2 months after infection, even if it was mild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Boss said: But will the antibodies just not kill the vaccine thinking it as Covid virus even if it's spike protein attached to adenovirus? Otherwise what's the reason people ask to wait for 1-2 months after infection, even if it was mild? Hi Ank You accidentally logged in with Big Boss’s credentials. Kindly log out and use your own login. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddy4823 Posted May 19, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 After 22 days, my reports are finally Negative.Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunjanPSD Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Big Boss said: But will the antibodies just not kill the vaccine thinking it as Covid virus even if it's spike protein attached to adenovirus? Otherwise what's the reason people ask to wait for 1-2 months after infection, even if it was mild? Well, they will. But the immune system will have to create the antibodies as a response to the vaccine, if the specific antibodies aren't present then those will be created and if they are already present then still body will produce an immune response to create more of those antibodies. It's not a one and done thing. It will be a simultaneous process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said: Well, they will. But the immune system will have to create the antibodies as a response to the vaccine, if the specific antibodies aren't present then those will be created and if they are already present then still body will produce an immune response to create more of those antibodies. It's not a one and done thing. It will be a simultaneous process. And all this assuming that body didn't create spike protein antibodies during infection as it was mild infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunjanPSD Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Boss said: And all this assuming that body didn't create spike protein antibodies during infection as it was mild infection? If the body didn't create it then the body should create it against the vaccine. If the body created it then it will still produce an immune response to create more of it. It's not like N amount of antibodies created during infection will keep you save for the rest of your life, more of those will be created when the same spike protein is encountered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said: If the body didn't create it then the body should create it against the vaccine. If the body created it then it will still produce an immune response to create more of it. It's not like N amount of antibodies created during infection will keep you save for the rest of your life, more of those will be created when the same spike protein is encountered. So it will create more antibodies for existing antibodies and new antibodies for protein it didn't detect earlier because it wasn't a severe infection. So then the wait period earlier was probably only for giving sufficient time for person to recover and now it is added because of vaccine shortage. So just makes sense to get vaccine if you are completely recovered, instead of waiting 2 months more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, eddy4823 said: After 22 days, my reports are finally Negative. Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk Stay strong. Good to know you are fully recovered now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunjanPSD Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Big Boss said: So it will create more antibodies for existing antibodies and new antibodies for protein it didn't detect earlier because it wasn't a severe infection. So then the wait period earlier was probably only for giving sufficient time for person to recover and now it is added because of vaccine shortage. So just makes sense to get vaccine if you are completely recovered, instead of waiting 2 months more. If your body encounters the same target as it did before then it will use existing antibodies to kill the target and simultaneously create more antibodies. If it encounters something new then obviously it will have to create new antibodies. So if spike protein antibody was already present in your body, the vaccine will make your body create more of it even if the existing antibodies keep on killing the virus. The waiting period is set acc. to how much time it takes your body to forget or say lose the memory of the virus. Human body has a very bad memory of the flu virus and covid bears some resemblance to it. There are debates regarding body actually forgetting the memory induced by vaccine along with the natural vaccine when the dose is administered quite early, so they give a safe estimate. Doctors were recommending 2 months before but as far as I know, 21 days - 6 weeks is appropriate. The current increase in wait-period purely seems like an attempt to counter shortage because obviously every recovered person will want to get a vaccine and there are tons of them. Maybe the Govt. is hoping that the existing ABs will be able to fly for 3 months. Earlier they also tried to increase it to 6 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Got first dose of Covishield yesterday at MAX Hospital, Patparganj. A lot of people around me were getting the govt schools, and I hear its very clean and orderly there, but I just wanted to get it done. Took me like 2-3 hours, had to pay the bloodsuckers 900 bucks in cash, but at least I'm vaccinated now. No fever or anything else today. Got my slot through the U45 Telegram group, in case anyone is still trying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Looks like my client is arranging vaccines for us. And via Apollo. So it seems it will be Sputnik. Sigh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanjosh Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Boss said: Looks like my client is arranging vaccines for us. And via Apollo. So it seems it will be Sputnik. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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