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10 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said:

@Bird Bird Bird My parents are due for vaccination on 1st, Covidshield is good to go? Given that it is being put on pause in many places.

I personally don't see any thing wrong with the data they have provided for Indian population and maybe things are being exaggerated a bit.

I had heard that covaxin was effective against the variants as well, though not sure against which variants they were talking about (previously I had read that astrazeneca/CoviShield was not very effective against the South African variant). I need to do some more research about this, but wondering if you or anyone else here has already studied such comparisons between these vaccines? 

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1 minute ago, Ph3N0M said:

I had heard that covaxin was effective against the variants as well, though not sure against which variants they were talking about (previously I had read that astrazeneca/CoviShield was not very effective against the South African variant). I need to do some more research about this, but wondering if you or anyone else here has already studied such comparisons between these vaccines? 

 

Regular updates to the vaccines will be needed like the flu shots. Virus will keep on mutating. I doubt there will ever be a one shot fits all situation. 

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3 minutes ago, Ph3N0M said:

I had heard that covaxin was effective against the variants as well, though not sure against which variants they were talking about (previously I had read that astrazeneca/CoviShield was not very effective against the South African variant). I need to do some more research about this, but wondering if you or anyone else here has already studied such comparisons between these vaccines? 

I did study but not in depth though. At first Astra did show less efficacy against the variants and Covaxin fared better but then Astra released another Indian focused study in which its efficacy improved but Covaxin still fared better.

I assume it's gonna be once a year shot for everyone to handle future mutations which won't be that bad.

Given the current scenario and that choice between the vaccines isn't given, some protection is better than no protection.

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2 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

AZ is an mRNA vaccine via BB is an inactivated vaccine. Purely on basic science, Covaxin should be more effective than AZ, but lots of confounding factors involved. 

 

 

New studies of Moderna and Pfizer show encouraging efficacy, not sure how they pulled.

Need to sit down one day and just study the science.

I wish J&J vaccine was available here, it would have been a no brainer.

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5 hours ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

 

 

Unless we have an ideal situation and everyone starts following mask and hygiene mandates, what is the way out ? We know there are a f**kton of people who will not wear masks, go out and call Covid a joke. 

The issue is not just deaths, it's all the morbidity burden. Post COVID morbidities are being seen in young and previously healthy individuals, and they are serious. 

Hospitals are getting full. Most ICUs in Noida (no idea about Greater Noida) are now packed with COVID cases (first hand info received a couple of hours back). Things are going worse. 

 

Cases didn't go up because the friends we know went out to restaurants or bars. Believe it or not but the people on these forums are not representative of India's population. We don't make up even 0.1% of the population. Cases went up because offices opened, people went back to work, public transportation started after a year. People went back to normal life because the alternative was becoming poorer at home or back in their village. 

 

Do people who want another lockdown have any idea the economic devastation the last one causes on the most vulnerable people in the country? We aren't a developed economy that gets supported by the government; stimulus checks, small business loans, unemployment insurance or stipends, thats not our way. While I work from home, my office guards, peons, liftboys calls me every week begging for work, any work. While we watch Netflix or game at night, most have a second job delivering for swiggy or amazon. I know a lot of people who have had covid, and almost all got better without any issues (I know the opposite is also true for a lot of people), but I don't know a single person who hasn't suffered some kind of economic issue because of the lockdown. People who post here can weather it, most people cannot. 

It's a disease, I'm not going to downplay it but its a disease where 95% recover with no issues. The alternative is more harmful. 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Cases didn't go up because the friends we know went out to restaurants or bars. Believe it or not but the people on these forums are not representative of India's population. We don't make up even 0.1% of the population. Cases went up because offices opened, people went back to work, public transportation started after a year. People went back to normal life because the alternative was becoming poorer at home or back in their village. 

 

Do people who want another lockdown have any idea the economic devastation the last one causes on the most vulnerable people in the country? We aren't a developed economy that gets supported by the government; stimulus checks, small business loans, unemployment insurance or stipends, thats not our way. While I work from home, my office guards, peons, liftboys calls me every week begging for work, any work. While we watch Netflix or game at night, most have a second job delivering for swiggy or amazon. I know a lot of people who have had covid, and almost all got better without any issues (I know the opposite is also true for a lot of people), but I don't know a single person who hasn't suffered some kind of economic issue because of the lockdown. People who post here can weather it, most people cannot. 

It's a disease, I'm not going to downplay it but its a disease where 95% recover with no issues. The alternative is more harmful. 

 

Well, I'm gonna be a selfish bitch over here. If I've to choose between my family not getting infected (what happens next, no one knows- no one wants to be in the mortality stat) and somebody else bearing the burden, I'll always choose the former. 

Life is unfair. We see it everyday. But between saving my parents, spouse and kids vs anyone else, it's just a no brainer. 

Harsh, yes. But we are running out of options. People will be idiots. 

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7 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

@Bird Bird Bird do you have any information about these antibodies test? They are so damn confusing. IgM, IgG and whatnot. Which one should be done? 

 

There are primarily 2 types of AB test - Total and Igg. 

 

Total measures IgM + IgG.

 

IgG measures... IgG. 

 

The primary covid response causes IgM to be produced initially, and IgG gets produced either at the same time or a bit after. IgM decays faster, so it'll generally not be detectable after say 3 weeks. 

 

When you do total Ab and it comes positive, you need to get Igg done too. 

 

TAB and IgG positive = Most likely a passed infection (> 2 weeks old), and you're likely to NOT communicate it to others. Long lasting AB present. 

 

TAB positive but IgG negative = Get RTPCR immediately as most likely IgM is positive, which means recent communicable infection.

 

Many labs do a reflex IgG, where they first test for TABs, and if they turn positive, they check for IgG too. Metropolis does this. 

 

Recently, IgA ABs are gaining momentum: https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/13/577/eabd2223

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

Well, I'm gonna be a selfish bitch over here. If I've to choose between my family not getting infected (what happens next, no one knows- no one wants to be in the mortality stat) and somebody else bearing the burden, I'll always choose the former. 

Life is unfair. We see it everyday. But between saving my parents, spouse and kids vs anyone else, it's just a no brainer. 

Harsh, yes. But we are running out of options. People will be idiots. 

You can just decide to stay home for another year and be mostly safe. I'm not sure how locking everyone else down helps you and your family in any meaningful way. 

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9 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

Well, I'm gonna be a selfish bitch over here. If I've to choose between my family not getting infected (what happens next, no one knows- no one wants to be in the mortality stat) and somebody else bearing the burden, I'll always choose the former. 

Life is unfair. We see it everyday. But between saving my parents, spouse and kids vs anyone else, it's just a no brainer. 

Harsh, yes. But we are running out of options. People will be idiots. 


Well its a good thing that you can choose to stay indoors with your family as long as you like then. A personal lockdown which noone will judge you for. 
We’ll let you know when its safe to come out.

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Well its a good thing that you can choose to stay indoors with your family as long as you like then. A personal lockdown which noone will judge you for. 
We’ll let you know when its safe to come out.
Lmao dude he is a front line worker..

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12 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

Also if you think the disease did not spread by people going to bars, restaurants etc, I don't know what to say.  Basic epidemiology. You don't need to be poor to get infected. 

 

Do you have a study you can quote on that? Restaurants, bars were open in India from November onwards, but didn't coincide with case increase. But the cases did jump as soon as public trains restarted in Mumbai. 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said:

You can just decide to stay home for another year and be mostly safe. I'm not sure how locking everyone else down helps you and your family in any meaningful way. 

 

1 minute ago, zen said:


Well its a good thing that you can choose to stay indoors with your family as long as you like then. A personal lockdown which noone will judge you for. 
We’ll let you know when its safe to come out.

I did the same and still my parents got infected. In whole year I stepped out only in January, that too because my grandmother passed away. All deliveries of groceries were recieved by me at door step wearing mask, delivery guy wore mask. All groceries were santized wearing masks. No outside food was eaten. No one visited our home since January. We follow hand hygiene since childhood. Still my mother got infected and then my father. So even getting locked at home isn't an option. Someone must have sneezed above our balcony or in front of our door and the air brought droplets in and caused infection. It's purely luck or bad luck now.

 

Unless the damn people follow proper hygiene, the cases will continue rising.

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Just now, Mr. Comingle said:

You can just decide to stay home for another year and be mostly safe. I'm not sure how locking everyone else down helps you and your family in any meaningful way. 

 

If things open, no one can "decide" and stay home. That's not how the real world works unfortunately. 

If people fail to follow basic hygiene guidelines, why should others bear the burden ? 

Isn't it the job of the government to ensure these guidelines are followed ? Rich or poor, people are forced to follow standards ? Basic rations and living places are given to the poor ? Where is my tax getting spent ? Isn't it time to use that money and help the economically weaker ?

While we are talking like armchair activists, the real players will be bunkering down in their homes/safe places. 

The middle class is as usual expected to bear the brunt since OH NO POOR PEOPLE. 

It may seem insensitive, but we pay a f**kton of taxes to the government to take care of these exact same challenges. I wouldn't risk my family's health for it. 

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1 minute ago, Big Boss said:

 

I did the same and still my parents got infected. In whole year I stepped out only in January, that too because my grandmother passed away. All deliveries of groceries were recieved by me at door step wearing mask, delivery guy wore mask. All groceries were santized wearing masks. No outside food was eaten. No one visited our home since January. We follow hand hygiene since childhood. Still my mother got infected and then my father. So even getting locked at home isn't an option. Someone must have sneezed above our balcony or in front of our door and the air brought droplets in and caused infection. It's purely luck or bad luck now.

 

Unless the damn people follow proper hygiene, the cases will continue rising.

 

 

 

Your case still gives me the creeps. I have sorta lost hope. Just carrying on taking precautions while thinking "kya fayda bc"

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