Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, radicaldude said: That's why they want other manufacturers to launch their vaccines in india. Ps- govt is actually encouraging monopoly by restricting us to two vaccines only. * They want other manufactures to launch AND want GOI to give them waiver from local test. But I know these folks, they will be first to run behind Modi with pitchfork if anything goes wrong. Vaccines are not candies, there is a cold-chain which has to be established. And don't forget this lot has ch* like this guy here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Mate, source of this info ? Which part? I don't have that tweet saved, which mentioned about Mumbai deficiency. Source on Covishield numbers, 40 millions were ready in November itself. They planned 100m by January https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/can-roll-out-100-million-doses-by-january-february-adar-poonawalla-to-ndtv-on-oxford-vaccine-2329212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houndini Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Right said: Which part? I don't have that tweet saved, which mentioned about Mumbai deficiency. Source on Covishield numbers, 40 millions were ready in November itself. They planned 100m by January https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/can-roll-out-100-million-doses-by-january-february-adar-poonawalla-to-ndtv-on-oxford-vaccine-2329212 Source for vaccine wastage by MH ? What real time vaccine data are we talking about ? Again, any source except HV's passive aggressive letter yday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mediocre Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Right said: Which part? I don't have that tweet saved, which mentioned about Mumbai deficiency. Source on Covishield numbers, 40 millions were ready in November itself. They planned 100m by January https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/can-roll-out-100-million-doses-by-january-february-adar-poonawalla-to-ndtv-on-oxford-vaccine-2329212 I don't consider tweet as a reliable source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Source for vaccine wastage by MH ? What real time vaccine data are we talking about ? Again, any source except HV's passive aggressive letter yday ? Edited April 8, 2021 by Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mediocre Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, Right said: A. There is no scarcity, there is a wastage and problem in distribution. Someone with access to real time data mentioned on Twitter that out of 170k odd doses availed to Mumbai, less than 1/3rd were administered. B. We do not know delivery schedule SII is following, But SII already provided 40m to GOI at the beginning of February. There is no data available in public which will suggest that vaccine stocks are running out, except political allegation, which debunked by Harshvardhan. He also cited the real time vaccine data. So if someone is serious about the charge of scarcity, they should take screenshots of dashboard and post it. Strangely, this same set of people are asking for opening vaccines for all 18+, If we don’t have scarcity, we will have for sure. Are you even following the conversation? This whole thing started by criticizing Govt's decision to not let private players come in to vaccinate everyone, not just 45+yr old. Because the current system won't be able to handle the demand thus let SII and BB handle the govt. side of things and let others vaccinate the non-eligible folk. You are basically agreeing with us which makes me think that all this while you didn't have any idea about what you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houndini Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, radicaldude said: https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/availability-of-vaccine-supplies-in-india/?amp&__twitter_impression=true Excellent read. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mediocre Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Right said: Where is it given that only 1/3rd of the doses were administered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mediocre Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Excellent read. Thanks. Poonewala himself is saying that multiple manufacturers will be needed to meet the demand even at 100M/month. Sputnik can't come soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houndini Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Right said: Tweet without source ? I wouldn't consider them as facts. 1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said: The real problem is of attitude and its not going to be solved by a lockdown. Fact of the matter is, people refused to do something as basic as wear a mask. And that's why we are here. With the non existent civic sense, we are destined to get fukt. Attitude will not change. Our civic sense is already pathetic. The owner of the house where we live in has already startes kitty parties at her house, no masks, no sanitizers. Almost everyone I see walks without a mask or mask on chin. Unless people lose someone close to them, nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Right said: 5 percent waste is acceptable.. it happens for all vaccines... India as a whole has an average of 6.5% wastage... Some states have 10%... but highlighting that doesn’t serve our political motives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, KunjanPSD said: Where is it given that only 1/3rd of the doses were administered? There was different tweet and I mentioned that I don't have it saved. It was for one particular day for Mumbai. 3 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said: Are you even following the conversation? This whole thing started by criticizing Govt's decision to not let private players come in to vaccinate everyone, not just 45+yr old. Because the current system won't be able to handle the demand thus let SII and BB handle the govt. side of things and let others vaccinate the non-eligible folk. You are basically agreeing with us which makes me think that all this while you didn't have any idea about what you were talking about. There are 3 parts of conversation 1. There is scarcity of vaccines -- There is no evidence 2. Open it for all --- Political and just to hide inefficiency, which would create scarcity in turn 3. Allow foreign vaxx Basically, let rich people get vaxxed and GoI should relax norms regarding local testing. Argument is given that you allowed Covaxin, at P2 then why not Pfizer which is being given in so many countries. Now, no one has information about what price they are going to sell at and how many doses they will be giving to India. Even if it gets allowed and something happens, who should be blamed for? Its just desperation, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Tweet without source ? I wouldn't consider them as facts. Are you kidding me bro? That guy is the Minister of Information and Broadcasting. I am not saying he cannot be wrong. But some things shouldn't be contested for sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 On the vaccine shortages... there is a reason why vaccine is open to only 45 plus.. even developed countries are having vaccine shortages.. look at eu.. astrazenaca has sent legal notice to SII about delayed delivery... states are complaining about more shortages.. to solve the problem, you have to first acknowledge the problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houndini Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: My friend's dad was on a ventilator for several days due to covid and both his dad and him still don't wear a mask regularly so idk. Well, one can't fight stupidity. 4 minutes ago, Right said: 3. Allow foreign vaxx Basically, let rich people get vaxxed and GoI should relax norms regarding local testing. Argument is given that you allowed Covaxin, at P2 then why not Pfizer which is being given in so many countries. Now, no one has information about what price they are going to sell at and how many doses they will be giving to India. Even if it gets allowed and something happens, who should be blamed for? Its just desperation, nothing else. Ok going by your argument that "let rich people get vaxxed" - wouldn't that DECREASE the strain on govt public vaccination ? Let rich people get vaxxed with Pfizer or Moderna or JnJ, and keep on doing low cost/free vaccinations with AZ/BB ones. The ultimate objective of vaccinating as many people as possible is getting served, at a lower cost to government. Win win ? I am going to reiterate it again - if something happens to you after BB/AZ vaccination, you still can't do sh*t. When people in P3 trials couldn't do sh*t, you and I are super small fries. There is almost no way to prove things went south due to vaccination (since we don't have long term data). 1 minute ago, Right said: Are you kidding me bro? That guy is the Minister of Information and Broadcasting. I am not saying he cannot be wrong. But some things shouldn't be contested for sake of it. Without a source, I can't believe anything coming out from a politicians mouth. It's a mud slinging game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 guess I should believe this too 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mediocre Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: guess I should believe this too Absolutely, this is as good as a whole trial. On top of it, it comes via a tweet which is the most legible medical journal out there. Govt. doesn't want to vaccinate everyone just for the heck of it, we have sh*t ton of vaccines just to take a bath in. The fact that vaccination isn't open for everyone and the manufacturers are saying that they can't meet demand isn't evidence, it's propaganda. And how can we forget that we can sue SII and BB for billions if we get a fever from the vaccine. How else will common man make money otherwise? Everything else is a hoax. Trust me bro, I have a degree from WhatsApp University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapola Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Ok going by your argument that "let rich people get vaxxed" - wouldn't that DECREASE the strain on govt public vaccination ? Let rich people get vaxxed with Pfizer or Moderna or JnJ, and keep on doing low cost/free vaccinations with AZ/BB ones. The ultimate objective of vaccinating as many people as possible is getting served, at a lower cost to government. Win win ? I am going to reiterate it again - if something happens to you after BB/AZ vaccination, you still can't do sh*t. When people in P3 trials couldn't do sh*t, you and I are super small fries. There is almost no way to prove things went south due to vaccination (since we don't have long term data). Simple, GoI is not taking this call. Just that you have an opinion about this, they have their own reasons/apprehensions about this. You can hate them for it but this is what it is. And personally I would've loved to have moderna here. Quote Without a source, I can't believe anything coming out from a politicians mouth. It's a mud slinging game. OK. File an RTI with DCI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said: Absolutely, this is as good as a whole trial. On top of it, it comes via a tweet which is the most legible medical journal out there. Govt. doesn't want to vaccinate everyone just for the heck of it, we have sh*t ton of vaccines just to take a bath in. The fact that vaccination isn't open for everyone and the manufacturers are saying that they can't meet demand isn't evidence, it's propaganda. And how can we forget that we can sue SII and BB for billions if we get a fever from the vaccine. How else will common man make money otherwise? Everything else is a hoax. Trust me bro, I have a degree from WhatsApp University. From the same uni- bleach is safe for human consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, Right said: OK. File an RTI with DCI. https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/theprint.in/opinion/in-15-years-rti-has-gone-from-indian-citizens-most-powerful-tool-to-an-act-on-life-support/447507/%3famp In 15 years, RTI has gone from Indian citizens’ most powerful tool to an Act on life support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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