The Coronavirus Thread Part 2

[hsk_colossus]

“There was no oxygen crisis in MP”

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/city/bhopal/madhya-pradesh-oxygen-crisis-continues-as-demand-rises-three-fold/amp_articleshow/82136708.cms

 

Govt still coming out with these kind of statements...

my cousin in MP on NIV needs  to be shifted to another hospital because the current hospital does not have enough oxygen... 

 

[KunjanPSD]

4 minutes ago, Banz said:

Once the virus gets out into the free air, it disperses thin enough to not be a threat of infection. The rules were not made so that people in the car don't breath out the virus to the outside air. It is to prevent people within the car from infecting each other. Which is why enforcing it on lone drivers and family members is stupid. Inside a car you have no social distancing and recirculating air. Even with an N95 mask, if there is an infected person every other traveller will be infected.

 

 

Define thinness of the virus to me?

Since people aren't trusting some basic common sense, quote me a study which proves that the virus posses no threat in free air?

 

Let me give you a very simple real-life example:

Have you ever smelled what's cooking in a house from the outside? Or a restaurant? Or maybe a shop which has some sort of incense? An air freshener?

If you have then that means the aerosol particles weren't able to be diffused to such a level that aren't recognizable. Aerosol based viruses are the same.

 

And no, it's not that even with N95 every person will be infected. There have been cases where people were able to get away w/o being affected, people right here in this forum have experienced it.

 

Rule was made to stop from people infecting each other from the virus inside the car but that doesn't mean you can't follow it because it didn't mention another sort of risk.

 

[rushab oswal]

39 minutes ago, The Panda said:

My father has tested positive and he’s having breathing problems. He has just returned from his head office district. Will be admitting him to hospital soon. Please pray guys!

I have read prone breathing helps. Please confirm @KunjanPSD.

also stay strong he'll be back home fit and healthy soon ❤️

Edited April 19, 2021 by rushaboswal

[KunjanPSD]

17 minutes ago, Banz said:

 

No one is revolting. That doesn't mean we can talk.

 

Yes it is the government's job to get this. They don't even have to do the studies themselves. More than a year has passed since the pandemic started. There should have been many studies by now. If I read studies showing that not wearing a mask increases virus aerosol concentration in the surroundings and poses a threat to pedestrians and other car drivers, I will take back my words. With all due respect to judges and lawyers, it is not their place to be deciding on these matters and certainly not using mundane points whether the law should apply to the inside of a car because it is a public place or not.

 

Also, don't misunderstand the smoking analogy. I was talking from a legal point of view not a practical one. You have 2 laws contradicting each other on the definition of a public place.

 

Anyways, no point in discussing further. I understand the point you are trying to make about blanket bans and no time on part of lawmakers to discuss all specific nuances.

I didn't mean you are revolting. I mean the general people like the women whose video went viral, the people who are supporting her.

A few people on this thread who thinks that everyone is a troll for imposing this rule.

 

I am not even blaming/accusing you here, I am just having a discussion as well. It's true that a year has passed by but given that our govt. has never been on top of it plus majority of the attention is going towards healthcare and vaccine, such studies aren't just a priority. People need to take responsibility as well.

 

A study shouldn't be needed for understanding this. Earlier everyone used to believe on word of mouth and now people need studies to just believe in something so meagre.

 

There just isn't enough time to do this.

I am sure there will be many people in the world who never came in contact with anyone but drove around w/o a mask and wondered how the hell they got it.

Edited April 19, 2021 by KunjanPSD

[KunjanPSD]

3 minutes ago, rushaboswal said:

I have read prone breathing helps. Please confirm @KunjanPSD.

also stay strong he'll be back home fit and healthy soon ❤️

Bro, I come from technical and related science background. I know bioinformatics and related stuff because of my interest and research work.

 

I don't have much expertise in this particular case, actual doctors like @Bird Bird Bird @hsk_colossus will know the best in this case.

[rushab oswal]

1 minute ago, KunjanPSD said:

Bro, I come from technical and related science background. I know bioinformatics and related stuff because of my interest and research work.

 

I don't have much expertise in this particular case, actual doctors like @Bird Bird Bird @hsk_colossus will know the best in this case.

I have seen multiple doctors say it helps , along side one live example. But don't want to spread misinformation so @Bird Bird Bird @hsk_colossus can confirm ??

[Banz]

2 minutes ago, KunjanPSD said:

A study shouldn't be needed for understanding this. Earlier everyone used to believe on word of mouth and now people need studies to just believe in something so meagre.

 

We need studies to best understand how the virus spreads, and how to prevent it. Yes, this is a small thing (which is why I am opposed to the police mindlessly enforcing it), but it may show surprising results and our repsonse will have to be different. 

 

 

 

[KunjanPSD]

2 minutes ago, Banz said:

 

We need studies to best understand how the virus spreads, and how to prevent it. Yes, this is a small thing (which is why I am opposed to the police mindlessly enforcing it), but it may show surprising results and our repsonse will have to be different. 

 

 

 

Well, we can hope. This pandemic has brought about such a shift that this long forgotten sector is getting the funding it deserves.

So after the cases die down a little, maybe institutions will conduct such studies.

[KunjanPSD]

In other news, AstraZeneca reports that SII got approval for 3000CR credit from ministry.

Although I think SII will soon focus solely on Novavax.

[hsk_colossus]

17 minutes ago, rushaboswal said:

I have seen multiple doctors say it helps , along side one live example. But don't want to spread misinformation so @Bird Bird Bird @hsk_colossus can confirm ??

yup...proning works....live saver in some cases 

 

[dylanjosh]

Is it true that symptoms are less severe if you've taken one dose of vaccine? 

[TRMNTR]

16 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

yup...proning works....live saver in some cases 

 

 

Ah! That's good to know! Someone shared it on WhatsApp and I completely ignored it because...WhatsApp.

[KnackChap]

55 minutes ago, The Panda said:

My father has tested positive and he’s having breathing problems. He has just returned from his head office district. Will be admitting him to hospital soon. Please pray guys!

 

Prayers & Wishing your father a very speedy recovery. God bless. ?

 

Admit him to an hospital since his oxygen is falling and no further damage is done. My father was in a similar situation last year and he recovered after a week in hospital. Will be a tough week to get through and time will seem to have come to a standstill but be strong, things will get better. 

[KunjanPSD]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

How does novavax compare to AZ? 

Acc. to the data, it is quite better. 89% efficacy as compared to 81% of AZ in original trials.

Against the UK variant, there was only a modest reduction in neutralization titers while AZ suffered quite a bit.

Against the South African variant failed to offer meaningful protection while Novavax did provide reasonable protection and given that the Indian variant also has the same E484k point mutation as the SA variant, I don't think it AZ will be able to provide any better protection against symptomatic illness but can still provide protection against severe illness and death because of better T-cell response.

 

We still don't have much data about the Indian variant, trials are ongoing. I expect Sputnik to match Novavax but can obviously change, still much better than AZ. 

Third booster from these companies will likely address all these issues.

Moderna and Pfizer remain on top for now.

 

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[KunjanPSD]

18 minutes ago, dylanjosh said:

Is it true that symptoms are less severe if you've taken one dose of vaccine? 

There are some sources claiming that a single dose was able to produce enough response to provide reasonable protection but I take them with a grain of salt until those are peer reviewed and published.

For now assume that even after the 1st dose the person is not vaccinated till atleast 2 weeks pass by post the 2nd dose.

[achilles]

2 hours ago, KunjanPSD said:

Virus is air-borne, you can still get it while being alone in the car.

 

Really thin straws here. The key part of the equation you're missing is carrier droplets and volumetric dispersion. I'll be providing citations below. If you can get it sitting inside your car, you can damn well get sitting inside your apartment, house, bathroom, or any place that hasn't been airtight since December 2019. 

 

1 hour ago, KunjanPSD said:

Rules are targeting to stop/reduce the spread of virus only but the damn population is not following them.

 

Right, and the way to remedy that is to create more rules, even asinine ones. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Ok thanks. I didn't know the virus can actually bypass windows and everything. Will wear a mask in car also from now. 

 

It really can't. But sure, wear a mask to be on the safe side. No sarcasm intended. 

 

1 hour ago, KunjanPSD said:

Since people aren't trusting some basic common sense, quote me a study which proves that the virus posses no threat in free air?

 

 

Summary article

Useful links: 

1. Irish study: Outdoor transmission accounts for .1% of 232164 COVID cases; also similar results for data studied in China, Japan, etc.

2. National Lib of Med: risk of outdoor transmission lower

 

From the article: 

Nooshin Razani, an associate professor of  epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco: "But because little particles floating through the air are a main concern with COVID, the outdoors is very, very safe. Anything you exhale will just be diluted very quickly, especially if you’re moving around. Yes, the coronavirus can spread in other ways. As Razani said, “If you’re right next to someone and you spit on them outdoors, it’s not going to magically protect you from their spit.” But that comment illustrates that the risk of getting COVID while briefly coming within 6 feet of someone outside is so small that your exchange of fluids would almost have to be purposeful"

 

Zain Chagla, an infectious diseases physician with McMaster University: "First, you or the person you’re passing would have to happen to have an asymptomatic infection, he explained, and then everyone would have to be exhaling and inhaling at just the right moment, and also, exchanging enough particles to actually seed another infection: “You’re talking about a probability of getting hit by a car, and being struck by lightning.”

 

Anyway, if you feel that way wear the mask, wear it while sleeping too. But creating rule that really doesn't help in stopping transmission and ties up resources and encroaches on privacy and personal space at the same damn time is a masterful troll job, from a body that has no business doing so, and feels at least wasteful and excessive. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by achilles

[Maximus]

 

That's the spirit, literally. 

[Sach4life]

12 minutes ago, Maximus said:

 

That's the spirit, literally. 

 

Kadak logic

[Walker]

 

Dafuq is this response? I swear if I ever meet this MF I'll shove a red hot poker up his arse. Absolute dog sh*t.

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Walker