hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: IRIA - Indian Radiological and Imaging Association - had a scathing retort to Dr. Guleria's statements, specially on the issue of CT scan causing cancer and being equivalent to 300-400 X rays. Published today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gdr5rg843ic8vtp/iria press release.pdf?dl=0 What guleria said was right that CT is not needed in mild disease with normal saturation. Atleast that’s what I got from the news article… about the radiation, I think he just trying to dissuade people with mild disease from getting repeated HRCT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: What guleria said was right that CT is not needed in mild disease with normal saturation. Atleast that’s what I got from the news article… about the radiation, I think he just trying to dissuade people with mild disease from getting repeated HRCT. His comments about mild disease was correct (I have said so in earlier comments too), but the statements that CT scans will cause cancer and is equal to 300-400 X rays are pure rubbish. Unfortunately media picks up the sensational news, and that's what was reported by many channels, causing even those who needed HRCT to get dissuaded. How many mild cases are even going for HRCT ? Most cases I'm seeing are 10+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just now, Bird Bird Bird said: His comments about mild disease was correct (I have said so in earlier comments too), but the statements that CT scans will cause cancer and is equal to 300-400 X rays are pure rubbish. Unfortunately media picks up the sensational news, and that's what was reported by many channels, causing even those who needed HRCT to get dissuaded. How many mild cases are even going for HRCT ? Most cases I'm seeing are 10+. plenty of Pt with mild cases are getting CT done.. and these patients get admitted which blocks the bed from someone who really needs it… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: plenty of Pt with mild cases are getting CT done.. and these patients get admitted which blocks the bed from someone who really needs it… Isn't that a triaging issue then ? 1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said: There is this misconception (?) that new covid strain doesn't get detected by RTPCR so just go for HRCT. Have heard it from multiple people. Honestly, I wish we had someone like Fauci educating the nation regularly. Instead we get this piss drinking quack. I wish we can see a fight between Fauci and HV. Was watching S Jaishankar defending polls during pandemic. Guy has a punchable face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said: There is this misconception (?) that new covid strain doesn't get detected by RTPCR so just go for HRCT. Have heard it from multiple people. Honestly, I wish we had someone like Fauci educating the nation regularly. Instead we get this piss drinking quack. Yup HRCT is gold standard for diagnosis Especially in Pt with moderate disease and negative RTPCR… but he was talking about mild disease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: There is this misconception (?) that new covid strain doesn't get detected by RTPCR so just go for HRCT. Have heard it from multiple people. Honestly, I wish we had someone like Fauci educating the nation regularly. Instead we get this piss drinking quack. Negative RTPCR does not rule out the disease if patient is symptomatic. HRCT is needed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhpian Bali Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, KnackChap said: I am thankful to Modi for making online slot booking mandatory for 18-44. Saved from this chaos at least. Stupid people queued up on first day for 18-44 as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Isn't that a triaging issue then ? In mild cases Even If you get HRCT done.. treatment is going to be same... if there is worsening of symptoms get a HRCT done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: But if its mild symptoms, does it matter? Just isolate yourself, take care and monitor oxygen. Problem is everyone rushing out to get HRCT if they come out to be negative. Well, imagine from a patient's perspective if they don't have the capacity to isolate ? Small house ? Maybe 1 BHK ? No seperate washrooms ? They might need admission in isolation centres, which would need RTPCR reports, barring which HRCT is the only option. Practical challenges trump guidelines. Just now, hsk_colossus said: In mild cases Even If you get HRCT done.. treatment is going to be same... if there is worsening of symptoms get a HRCT done. That's what I said, isn't it a triaging issue ? Why are mild cases getting admitted in hospitals and not isolation centers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: That's what I said, isn't it a triaging issue ? Why are mild cases getting admitted in hospitals and not isolation centers ? I don’t think there are any isolation Center’s in my city in this wave… resources are too few… And people with influence find a way to get admitted… Edited May 5, 2021 by hsk_colossus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: I don’t think there are any isolation Center’s in our city in this wave… resources are too few… people with influence find a way to get admitted… There are many in Delhi NCR. Infact, normal isolation beds are always available - whether in some hospitals or make shift centres. No oxygen at these beds though. Just isolation and medications if needed. And from what I've seen, many centers are hiring AYUSH doctors for managing such areas (even for managing some moderate cases). Edited May 5, 2021 by Bird Bird Bird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: There are many in Delhi NCR. Infact, normal isolation beds are always available - whether in some hospitals or make shift centres. No oxygen at these beds though. Just isolation and medications if needed. And from what I've seen, many centers are hiring AYUSH doctors for managing such areas (even for managing some moderate cases). yup isolation Center don’t have oxygen.. these are just level 1 beds… Only useful if you can’t isolate at home test-trace-isolate mantra is dead in this wave.. Edited May 5, 2021 by hsk_colossus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi_boy Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, KnackChap said: There r so many ppl visiting without appointments, my friend took his mom for second dose vaccination at a center where there was only 2nd dose allowed, half the ppl there had come to take their second dose before their due date, in fear of vaccine shortage in coming weeks, they all were asked to go back. If ever we get the Johnson one shot vaccine, it should only be allocated to senior citizens, to avoid the hassle of a second visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said: test-trace-isolate mantra is dead in this wave We can't even do test properly in this wave. No resource for tracing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 50k Karnataka, 40k Kerala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunjanPSD Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Bird Bird Bird said: His comments about mild disease was correct (I have said so in earlier comments too), but the statements that CT scans will cause cancer and is equal to 300-400 X rays are pure rubbish. Unfortunately media picks up the sensational news, and that's what was reported by many channels, causing even those who needed HRCT to get dissuaded. How many mild cases are even going for HRCT ? Most cases I'm seeing are 10+. I have seen this first hand. A person in my extended family had his oxygen in the 70s and was in a really bad state. Doc prescribed the HRCT but the damn guy refused because he heard Guleria speak about cancer. This is the issue I was talking about. Guleria was right about needing HRCT in moderate cases but the way he communicated that by saying the 300-400x statistic was completely wrong. Eventually they were able to force him to get the CT done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-approves-roche/regeneron-antibody-cocktail-to-treat-covid-19/articleshow/82407551.cms Now what's this? Apparently Trump also took this when he had Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, Big Boss said: https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-approves-roche/regeneron-antibody-cocktail-to-treat-covid-19/articleshow/82407551.cms Now what's this? Apparently Trump also took this when he had Covid. Experimental therapy for COVID 19. Part of Recovery trial. https://www.recoverytrial.net/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhpian Bali Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) So a new scam is in process. Indians will find a loophole to black market the vaccines no matter what procedure the govt follows. 18-44 person books a slot somehow. Goes to the vaccination center and is turned away saying vaccine is not available but gets a sms later about receiving the dose anyhow. The person with legitimate booking doesnt get the dose and the hospital diverts it. Be careful when you guys book your slot and get it done from centers that are not indulging in such practices. a simple twitter keyword search should help. Edited May 5, 2021 by Bhpian Bali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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