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This is a very well written article, we can either keep panicking or learn to live with it now. My son slept perfectly fine yesterday, only to wake up mid of night with 102 degree fever, I know what it is, and seeing how contagious this is, it is a matter of time me and wife will get it too, we can't isolate him.

 

Now think of this as a scenario from before the pandemic, he would have got fever which  is a viral, inadvertently me and my wife will get it too, every time he catches cold, we get it too, there is no escaping. I am not panicking this time, just started his treatment, and got mentally ready to do the same for me, and started the quarantine. Over testing is not achieving anything as said in the article above, you keep testing and you will keep finding cases. Get vaccinated and learn to live with it, that is the only option, this sh*t is not going anywhere for a long long time. Period!!

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54 minutes ago, AtheK said:

2265677d1643284245-coronavirus-thread-2e,

 

This is a very well written article, we can either keep panicking or learn to live with it now. My son slept perfectly fine yesterday, only to wake up mid of night with 102 degree fever, I know what it is, and seeing how contagious this is, it is a matter of time me and wife will get it too, we can't isolate him.

 

Now think of this as a scenario from before the pandemic, he would have got fever which  is a viral, inadvertently me and my wife will get it too, every time he catches cold, we get it too, there is no escaping. I am not panicking this time, just started his treatment, and got mentally ready to do the same for me, and started the quarantine. Over testing is not achieving anything as said in the article above, you keep testing and you will keep finding cases. Get vaccinated and learn to live with it, that is the only option, this sh*t is not going anywhere for a long long time. Period!!

 

There's a difference between panic and prudence. Some points in the article are dangerous, like opening schools. We already have the new Omicron BA2 sub variant running amok in many countries, and don't really know the effects. We don't know how far has Omicron replaced delta. Large scale gatherings like schools are prime areas for viruses to mutate and evolve even more rapidly, since there will be a lot of crossover due to high transmissible nature of the virus. 

The article also asks for better and more labs to ensure higher sequencing of viruses, something which we don't have, nor have we heard anything about it from the government. 

The healthcare infrastructure is also not evolved enough to tackle another delta like strain, which again harps back to prudence. 

In an ideal world, everyone would take precautions, with free and widely available healthcare, and excellent genomic sequencing etc. But we don't live in an ideal world. Cost of healthcare is an immense burden. Someone well off might not care, but a middle class person would possibly deplete their life savings if kept for 2-3 weeks in the ICU. 

You're not panicking NOW as long as your child is doing ok on fever reducing meds. But those who are not responding or are getting serious infections will obviously panic, specially kids. 

Hence it's only wise to be prudent, and keep your gaurds up. Long COVID is real. We don't even know how our kids (or for that matter, ourselves) will be effected in the long run. 

 

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41 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

There's a difference between panic and prudence. Some points in the article are dangerous, like opening schools. We already have the new Omicron BA2 sub variant running amok in many countries, and don't really know the effects. We don't know how far has Omicron replaced delta. Large scale gatherings like schools are prime areas for viruses to mutate and evolve even more rapidly, since there will be a lot of crossover due to high transmissible nature of the virus. 

The article also asks for better and more labs to ensure higher sequencing of viruses, something which we don't have, nor have we heard anything about it from the government. 

The healthcare infrastructure is also not evolved enough to tackle another delta like strain, which again harps back to prudence. 

In an ideal world, everyone would take precautions, with free and widely available healthcare, and excellent genomic sequencing etc. But we don't live in an ideal world. Cost of healthcare is an immense burden. Someone well off might not care, but a middle class person would possibly deplete their life savings if kept for 2-3 weeks in the ICU. 

You're not panicking NOW as long as your child is doing ok on fever reducing meds. But those who are not responding or are getting serious infections will obviously panic, specially kids. 

Hence it's only wise to be prudent, and keep your gaurds up. Long COVID is real. We don't even know how our kids (or for that matter, ourselves) will be effected in the long run. 

 

This. Also with people comparing it to flu, we sort of know that flu is mostly harmless and has no long term affects (Yes, some people succumb to flu as well) but equating flu and corona is not the correct analogy since we don't even know about all the long term effects of Corona, let alone that people are dying because of it and a lot of people have had long term and adverse affects

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Biggest mistake people are doing is they are equating Covid illness with regular viral flu. We simply don't know what are the bad effects of coronavirus entering and affecting your body for long term. Not enough data is available. Only option is to avoid infection as much as possible.

 

Edit: lol @abhi90 said the same thing

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People are getting it sitting at their home. How long are you going to be prudent, really? I'm assuming prudent here means not leaving the home until absolutely required. 

You seem to forget that the vast majority of jobs cannot be done from home. And even besides that plenty of non essential things like watching movies, taking a vacation, going to school, etc. become essential on a long enough timeline. 

And I feel we crossed that timeline some time back. 

It's been 2 years now with the virus showing no signs on letting even after all the vaccines and precautions in the world. 

At this point, you just mask up and get on with your life. Long covid exists yeah but so what, man. Everyone I know got it so we're f**ked anyways. 

The effects of long covid won't be known for another decade because obviously you need to observe for a long time to understand long term effects. What're you gonna do, stay in a bunker for the next decade? 

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Ya be prudent but the way people are panicking is like by doing that it is going to make the virus go away. Schools are breeding grounds, so is pretty much every gathering. Hell you yourself said you got it sitting at home, so did my wife last time. I am not panicking but I am definitely concerned, there is only so much I can do.  The long term effects, how long you would wait to know about them, 2 more years, 5 more years, 15 more years, and once you know then what, woukd you reversw time. how long is long enough is any one guess now.

 

Come on man, I am done with this, I am going to mask up, sanitize my hands, and get on with my life now. Yes we all know there is covid it's been around for 2 years and it is not going away anywhere for next 10 years, sit and home and wait for it to catch up, or take all precautions and try that it does not cross you, and if it does you deal with it. I got a health insurance worth 1.5 cr done for my family, I have taken a big term insurance plan, that is where everyone can start not necessarily panicking.

 

Where did panicking and lockdown got us anyway, there is no ideal world not in India nor abroad. We have to learn to live with this unfortunately, there is no other option. Everyone has a choice to make, but now I am past that point in my life and this virus life span, that I refuse to question anyone choice. It's there choice and there life, if you are not comfortable with some one choices, don't meet them, don't go to such places. Now that enough has been told about virus, everyone knows the risks anyway.

 

I on my part will act responsibly and will take some camore calculated risks compared to what I took last year. I hope others do the same, but that is my hope, it's ultimately individual choice and I am ok with what they choose.

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14 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

People are getting it sitting at their home. How long are you going to be prudent, really? I'm assuming prudent here means not leaving the home until absolutely required. 

You seem to forget that the vast majority of jobs cannot be done from home. And even besides that plenty of non essential things like watching movies, taking a vacation, going to school, etc. become essential on a long enough timeline. 

And I feel we crossed that timeline some time back. 

It's been 2 years now with the virus showing no signs on letting even after all the vaccines and precautions in the world. 

At this point, you just mask up and get on with your life. Long covid exists yeah but so what, man. Everyone I know got it so we're f**ked anyways. 

The effects of long covid won't be known for another decade because obviously you need to observe for a long time to understand long term effects. What're you gonna do, stay in a bunker for the next decade? 

 

How is prudence related to sitting at home ?

Prudence is masking up, washing hands. 

Prudence is testing when you get symptoms. 

Prudence is isolating yourself if you're positive, and not hiding it from neighbours, maids and the world. 

Prudence is NOT taking every sneeze and cough as common cold. 

How many people are even masking up nowadays ? I don't see a single person in my society with a mask. The delivery guy seems better educated than so called rich people - at least he wears a mask. 

Keep saying f**k this and that. Let's talk when you lose somebody close to you due to COVID. 

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1 minute ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

How is prudence related to sitting at home ?

Prudence is masking up, washing hands. 

Prudence is testing when you get symptoms. 

Prudence is isolating yourself if you're positive, and not hiding it from neighbours, maids and the world. 

Prudence is NOT taking every sneeze and cough as common cold. 

How many people are even masking up nowadays ? I don't see a single person in my society with a mask. The delivery guy seems better educated than so called rich people - at least he wears a mask. 

Keep saying f**k this and that. Let's talk when you lose somebody close to you due to COVID. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

How many people are even masking up nowadays ? I don't see a single person in my society with a mask. The delivery guy seems better educated than so called rich people - at least he wears a mask. 

Keep saying f**k this and that. Let's talk when you lose somebody close to you due to COVID. 

and what would you do just because some one is not wearing mask, kill him, hang him. You can do absolutely nothing.

 

What if you lose some one close to you due to Covid when you were sitting at home all the time, and that person still got it and unfortunately passed away, the loss bearing becomes less i guess, though the last few years of his or her life person stayed holed up in a house.

 

You get symptoms

 

1. You test yes, or you just go into isolation for a week

 

That is all you can do and SOP what to do next is published everywhere now this is not 2020.

 

Other then that when you go out. you  mask up you sanitize and you avoid crowded places, that is all you can do, that is all.

 

Lot of them won't stay away from those places, few of them will, it's choice. Exercise it responsibly, that is the only option.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, AtheK said:

and what would you do just because some one is not wearing mask, kill him, hang him. You can do absolutely nothing.

 

Of course the law can do things. Remember when people used to get fined for not wearing a mask ? If you can fine for not wearing seat belt, how difficult is it to fine for not wearing a mask in a PUBLIC place (not in the car) ?

There has to be will to implement it. 

 

6 minutes ago, AtheK said:

You get symptoms

 

1. You test yes, or you just go into isolation for a week

 

That is all you can do and SOP what to do next is published everywhere now this is not 2020.

 

Other then that when you go out. you  mask up you sanitize and you avoid crowded places, that is all you can do, that is all.

 

Lot of them won't stay away from those places, few of them will, it's choice. Exercise it responsibly, that is the only option.

 

Are you telling me that EVERYONE who gets symptoms is getting tested ? The vast majority treat it like it's nothing. I have lost count on the number of times people don't want to get tested as they fear they'll come positive. I mean...FFS, testing wont make you positive, and it might save someone's life if you isolate yourself after testing positive. People just don't want to get tested. 

 

Of course, it's my choice to not go to crowded place, and that's what I'm doing currently. 

But don't think we will need 10 years for long covid studies. We already have a f**kton of them - clearly showing this effects almost every function of your body. It's not flu, restrcited to your lungs. 

 

Heck, a recent study in Nature showed loss of naive T and B cells on LC patients ! LOSS of T and B cells - poor chaps can't even develop immunity to new infections ! 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01113-x

 

It can even lead to over proliferation, and cancer. 

 

The author did a small post on Twitter too. 

 

 

 

Again, being prudent is the need of the hour. Get tested, isolate yourself if you've covid, don't be an a**hole. It's pretty simple. 

 

And large social gatherings WILL worsen this. There's no doubt about that. Opening schools will f**k this up. Pediatric cases are already rising, much more then previous months.

 

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agreed brother, but what can you do, the way this sh*t is rolling, everyone is getting effected. I think only 3-4 people are left in my circle who have not get effected, i was one of them, but that will change soon now i guess.

 

Once you are infected you area already on the way for long term covid implications, what ever they are, it can't be reversed anymore, truth is this.

 

govt will never make it a rule, they themselves don't wanna wear it. Then again what do you do with countries like UK, they have already said no more mask starting this week. See other countries follow suit, it's a sh*t show now. The least this jokers can do is open booster dose for all, and get pfizer here and give it to little kids. US has been running it, and don't think any bad news have been reported. That said it is pfizer.

 

As i said i will take my safety net and take some calculated risks, that is all i can do, that is all I will do. Can't do jack shot about what people around me choose to do, can't loose my sleep thinking about it all the time.

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1 minute ago, AtheK said:

i said i will take my safety net and take some calculated risks, that is all i can do, that is all I will do. Can't do jack shot about what people around me choose to do, can't loose my sleep thinking about it all the time.

 

That's what we can do - be prudent and informed. 

 

Another clear study showing LC related to neurological depletion: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.07.475453v1.full

 

I just want people to know that long covid does not take 10 years to manifest. You can start seeing the effects as early as 8-12 weeks post infection. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

 

How is prudence related to sitting at home ?

Prudence is masking up, washing hands. 

Prudence is testing when you get symptoms. 

Prudence is isolating yourself if you're positive, and not hiding it from neighbours, maids and the world. 

Prudence is NOT taking every sneeze and cough as common cold. 

How many people are even masking up nowadays ? I don't see a single person in my society with a mask. The delivery guy seems better educated than so called rich people - at least he wears a mask. 

Keep saying f**k this and that. Let's talk when you lose somebody close to you due to COVID. 

Prudent in the context you said it absolutely means not leaving home for unessential things like eating out or gym or idk going on a vacation into the mountains. 

You aren't gonna be masked up while downing a pizza or sharing a joint. 

I mean, dude, what's the end game? As much as anyone says it, this is not going to be new normal. 

You might be optimistic and think that covid will be eradicated or minimised in the near term and normal life can resume. 

I don't think we're reaching that point anytime soon. So really it's a question of resuming life now and maybe getting f**ked or resuming life now and maybe getting f**ked. 

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32 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Prudent in the context you said it absolutely means not leaving home for unessential things like eating out or gym or idk going on a vacation into the mountains. 

 

You just made up your own definition, dude. :lol:

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20 hours ago, Big Boss said:

26th was holiday. Those numbers should be treated as Monday numbers. We will know the exact trajectory by mid of next week. Though many have stopped testing even after symptoms.

 

You are right about the latter part. My father in law is definitely infected, he is boosted already, but Doctor (his nephew) asked him not to get tested.

 

2.35L yesterday, steep fall.

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9 minutes ago, dylanjosh said:

damn. what reason did he give? 

 

1. The DM of the town has ordered sealing of houses where cases are found. These guys have a big joint family & business is run out of the office which is within the house, and nephew's paediatric hospital in adjacent building.

 

2. There is nothing that can be done, except having Dolo twice a day and chewing zinc/vitamin supplements. 

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1 hour ago, Right said:

 

You are right about the latter part. My father in law is definitely infected, he is boosted already, but Doctor (his nephew) asked him not to get tested.

 

2.35L yesterday, steep fall.

 

Not getting tested is extremely common. 

My FIL got covid (tested positive), and MIL showed symptoms after few days. They kept on isolating themselves from others (they stay independently), but my MIL did not get tested. She assumed she had COVID and took all precautions, but the national COVID tally of course couldn't count her. 

I'm sure this is happening daily at thousands or lacs of homes. 

Official numbers are severely off. 

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And in the hindsight numbers mean nothing now, they are just numbers now :lol:

 

they should stop with this daily crap and start reporting daily hospitalisations now.

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