The Coronavirus Thread Part 2

[PhantomShade]

1 hour ago, KnackChap said:

 

 

All publicity is good publicity.

[harjas]

1 hour ago, adity said:

1. Placebo effect is well documented to work. Basically if you think something is a cure for your condition, your body makes it work in some cases. That is why for any medicine to get approved half the test subjects are given placebo and the other half actual medicine to see if the medicine is actually any good. 

 

2. Anecdotes have no place in science. 

 

3. If you check the chemical composition of homeopathic pills, it's mostly sugar. 

 

You can look any of this up to get better worded well researched stuff. 

 

Alternate medicine is alternate because it doesn't work. Otherwise it would be medicine. 

IDK man, 2 auto immune disorders here plus had a liver transplant due to them in 2015. Wildly enough I am diabetic now due to the meds I take for autoimmune.

Anyways I am not on it anymore so yeah.

[Bhpian Bali]

14 minutes ago, adity said:

Placebo effect isn't going to work against a virus. I'm an accountant so I don't have any sort of expert knowledge on these things. An auto immune disorder is wildly different from a hyper contagious virus like Covid. It's not gonna not spread because your body believes it's taking some medicine. 

 

We are talking about a disease where 80 percent cases are asymptomatic. A very small percentage actually get any serious symptoms. Of people start believing in all this, they'll be even more careless and affect people who actually can get f**ked by the virus. 

 

Quoted by mistake.

 

Anyway. I was talking about homeopathy in general. Not supporting homeopathy treatment for covid. As even docs dont know what kind of illness is it. Is it a blood illness or a lung illness or whatever.

 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Bhpian Bali

[harjas]

Ofcourse, I was merely commenting on my experience with this.

[KnackChap]

3 hours ago, Right said:

How so?

 

Lets take MH.They didn't give anything to their population.

CPR is steady. Case numbers have increased with increased testing.

 

 

Even the mumbai bmc were endorsing and giving it out at subsidised prices. Our local corporator also gave it to us with a picture of her face on it. 

[Bhpian Bali]

27 minutes ago, adity said:

Placebo effect isn't going to work against a virus. I'm an accountant so I don't have any sort of expert knowledge on these things. An auto immune disorder is wildly different from a hyper contagious virus like Covid. It's not gonna not spread because your body believes it's taking some medicine. 

 

Covid19 does lead to a severe auto immune response as well i have been reading about this cytokine storm. It's being controlled with arthritis medicines. Like HCQS and another steroid.

 

[playstationdude]

1 hour ago, KnackChap said:

 

Even the mumbai bmc were endorsing and giving it out at subsidised prices. Our local corporator also gave it to us with a picture of her face on it. 

Politicians are Arsenic.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, playstationdude said:

Politicians are Arse

 

FTFY

[Big Boss]

78k today.

Maharashtra 16,867. It's getting worse.

[playstationdude]

And metro is restarting. Can't even imagine the number of cases that will come now. 

[KunjanPSD]

11 minutes ago, playstationdude said:

And metro is restarting. Can't even imagine the number of cases that will come now. 

It all comes down to how people actually look at this. If they think that this is a sign of things getting back to normal and start using it for all of their commute needs, even the ones which can be avoided then cases will rise.

 

But if he Govt. is able to run it properly. Limiting the number of people entering at once, thorough temp. checks and if people also use a bit of their brains, maintaining distance and proper protection then I don't think it will add enough numbers to change the rate.

I mean streets, markets and malls are almost back to pre-Covid state.

I had to go to Croma in Citywalk (washing machine died) and to my amusement (or disappointment?) I saw just hordes of people, all dressed up in fancy clothes, coming there just to have coffee or a piece of cake.

 

People can't be expected to hold off for 6+ months. Plus given how tough commute has turned for a lot of working people (personally know people who didn't get year long wfm and have to travel 4hrs a day) and the loss Metro is racking up. I don't find it surprising that Metro is opening back up.

[playstationdude]

14 minutes ago, kunjanp said:

It all comes down to how people actually look at this. If they think that this is a sign of things getting back to normal and start using it for all of their commute needs, even the ones which can be avoided then cases will rise.

 

But if he Govt. is able to run it properly. Limiting the number of people entering at once, thorough temp. checks and if people also use a bit of their brains, maintaining distance and proper protection then I don't think it will add enough numbers to change the rate.

I mean streets, markets and malls are almost back to pre-Covid state.

I had to go to Croma in Citywalk (washing machine died) and to my amusement (or disappointment?) I saw just hordes of people, all dressed up in fancy clothes, coming there just to have coffee or a piece of cake.

 

People can't be expected to hold off for 6+ months. Plus given how tough commute has turned for a lot of working people (personally know people who didn't get year long wfm and have to travel 4hrs a day) and the loss Metro is racking up. I don't find it surprising that Metro is opening back up.

I dont blame the government. It's the situation that sucks.

[Big Boss]

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-sets-grim-world-record-with-79k-fresh-cases-in-a-day/articleshow/77828692.cms

 

World record. Also worst number of cases in past 7 days, beating US during their worst spike.

[rushab oswal]

13 hours ago, Bhpian Bali said:

I don't advocate for homeopathy myself. But my mom was on steroids to be able to get up due to her rheumatoid arthritis

Same with my mom . Homeopathy, yoga and Ayurvedic medicines has help her a lot. Earlier she wouldn't be able to walk without a pain killer every day. Now it's once every 15-20 days. 

I don't know about COVID. I ready a research paper online where a patient was treated completely with Ayurveda. Again this needs mass study as a single person proves nothing. 

[rushab oswal]

22 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

World record. Also worst number of cases in past 7 days, beating US during their worst spike.

But then also consider India's population, and how densely crowded we are compared to us. I honestly think we are doing ok. Not best not worst just ok . And it's time to open everything up. (my view) 

[radicaldude]

8 hours ago, kunjanp said:

It all comes down to how people actually look at this. If they think that this is a sign of things getting back to normal and start using it for all of their commute needs, even the ones which can be avoided then cases will rise.

 

But if he Govt. is able to run it properly. Limiting the number of people entering at once, thorough temp. checks and if people also use a bit of their brains, maintaining distance and proper protection then I don't think it will add enough numbers to change the rate.

I mean streets, markets and malls are almost back to pre-Covid state.

I had to go to Croma in Citywalk (washing machine died) and to my amusement (or disappointment?) I saw just hordes of people, all dressed up in fancy clothes, coming there just to have coffee or a piece of cake.

 

People can't be expected to hold off for 6+ months. Plus given how tough commute has turned for a lot of working people (personally know people who didn't get year long wfm and have to travel 4hrs a day) and the loss Metro is racking up. I don't find it surprising that Metro is opening back up.

 

It is impossible to do so, atleast for Delhi Metro. The DM ferries around 60 lakhs passengers each day. No SOPs can be effectively enforced when the number is so humongous. Swach Bharat Mission has been running since 2015, and people still defecate in the open. I have seen people moving around sans mask and with zero social distancing. And suppose the CISF guy who frisks gets infected, he will  increase the risk of infection spread at a rapid rate.

 

though I agree that things cant be kept under lockdown for ever. But metro can quickly become a hotspot/petri dish for a city.

[KnackChap]

And cases in delhi have been increasing since last week. 

[playstationdude]

There is this guy in our society who tested positive a few days. a**hole went the next day of testing positive to the local vegetable vendor and was coolly shopping veggies touching everything. It was when the guard and estate managaer came running that alarm was raised and he was forced to go back.

 

a**hole's logic - Came down for fresh air. 0 guilt. 

 

[hope]

38 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

It is impossible to do so, atleast for Delhi Metro. The DM ferries around 60 lakhs passengers each day. No SOPs can be effectively enforced when the number is so humongous. Swach Bharat Mission has been running since 2015, and people still defecate in the open. I have seen people moving around sans mask and with zero social distancing. And suppose the CISF guy who frisks gets infected, he will  increase the risk of infection spread at a rapid rate.

 

though I agree that things cant be kept under lockdown for ever. But metro can quickly become a hotspot/petri dish for a city.

The core population has to do it or it will fail everytime. 

Swaach bharat in my home town is hugely succesfull,you go to Indore and its a transformed city now. Absolutely clean. Ofcourse the local govt. Has made efforts too but its the people who must be aware which they are now.

 

Same for corona, you can PR the sh*t out of social distancing n mask n all but unless its been done by the common people, it all means jack. 

 

I m also in favour of opening most stuff but I really feel for students who have to go n give exams now. Could have been postponed easily rather than risking it. Its nothing new anyways for many universities in India to delay exams and waste students time. 

[radicaldude]

15 minutes ago, hope said:

The core population has to do it or it will fail everytime. 

Swaach bharat in my home town is hugely succesfull,you go to Indore and its a transformed city now. Absolutely clean. Ofcourse the local govt. Has made efforts too but its the people who must be aware which they are now.

 

Same for corona, you can PR the sh*t out of social distancing n mask n all but unless its been done by the common people, it all means jack. 

 

I m also in favour of opening most stuff but I really feel for students who have to go n give exams now. Could have been postponed easily rather than risking it. Its nothing new anyways for many universities in India to delay exams and waste students time. 

 

It is a people's movement, no doubt about that, but it is not prudent to expect people to reform in few months. Just to put things into perspective, population of Indore is 19.9 lakhs and population of Delhi is 1.9 crores with scores of people transiting through the city each day. The risk of spread here is atleast 10 times (if not more) w.r.t smaller cities.

Edited August 30, 2020 by radicaldude