The Coronavirus Thread Part 2

[KunjanPSD]

50 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

It is impossible to do so, atleast for Delhi Metro. The DM ferries around 60 lakhs passengers each day. No SOPs can be effectively enforced when the number is so humongous. Swach Bharat Mission has been running since 2015, and people still defecate in the open. I have seen people moving around sans mask and with zero social distancing. And suppose the CISF guy who frisks gets infected, he will  increase the risk of infection spread at a rapid rate.

 

though I agree that things cant be kept under lockdown for ever. But metro can quickly become a hotspot/petri dish for a city.

Apparently there will not be any physical frisking while entering the station. One will have to go through a few of those full body metal detectors and also one which will report your temperature.

The numbers are so huge that there are bound to be some slippage. It always come down to the people, it's them who makes or breaks it.

[KunjanPSD]

10 minutes ago, hope said:

The core population has to do it or it will fail everytime. 

Swaach bharat in my home town is hugely succesfull,you go to Indore and its a transformed city now. Absolutely clean. Ofcourse the local govt. Has made efforts too but its the people who must be aware which they are now.

 

Same for corona, you can PR the sh*t out of social distancing n mask n all but unless its been done by the common people, it all means jack. 

 

I m also in favour of opening most stuff but I really feel for students who have to go n give exams now. Could have been postponed easily rather than risking it. Its nothing new anyways for many universities in India to delay exams and waste students time. 

Which exams? I personally haven't seen any university holding exams which aren't virtual.

Do you mean JEE/NEET?

In that case, those have already been postponed enough that it will have a long lasting effect on a student's career. I honestly don't think they can postpone them any further without effectively giving every student a gap year.

[radicaldude]

5 minutes ago, kunjanp said:

Apparently there will not be any physical frisking while entering the station. One will have to go through a few of those full body metal detectors and also one which will report your temperature.

The numbers are so huge that there are bound to be some slippage. It always come down to the people, it's them who makes or breaks it.

 

Well in that case, the threat levels would increase several fold. I am not yet aware of examples from anywhere where a mass public transit system that is used by lakhs each day being opened, when the pandemic cases are on the surge.

 

PS:- They had issued SOPs regarding air conditioning. I wonder how they plan to operate the AC's inside metros and underground tunnels/stations. Also, after opening mass public transport, it makes less sense to limit the number of people at parties/religious functions etc.

Edited August 30, 2020 by radicaldude

[Walker]

1 hour ago, AnK said:

Only India & US are reporting actual close to real figures now 

 

other countries are not even bothering/never bothered

How'd you reach that conclusion? ?

[KunjanPSD]

2 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

Well in that case, the threat levels would increase several fold. I am not yet aware of examples from anywhere where a mass public transit system that is used by lakhs each day being opened, when the pandemic cases are on the surge.

 

PC:- They had issued SOPs regarding air conditioning. I wonder how they plan to operate the AC's inside metros and underground tunnels/stations. Also, after opening mass public transport, it makes less sense to limit the number of people at parties/religious functions etc.

I don't agree with the increase in threat level, have been through many airports where such frisking is done properly. Let's see how the execution pans out.

 

I don't think we can assume that the same number of people will be travelling through the system every day. If the queue is made which atleast 6 feet distance in between, the number of people entering the system will reduce automatically.

And if there are designated spots inside metro where a person can stand/sit to maintain distance, then I honestly don't see it being any different than how people are gracing malls and streets with their visit everyday with AC's working in the former.

 

Also Japan and France didn't close down their public transport when cases were climbing and they had some interesting results with hardly any coronavirus cluster forming up.

Now yes, there is a difference between those countries and Delhi, so the thing comes back upon the people.

 

Parties/mass function/religious functions are avoidable while commute to work is not. But yes, I am pretty sure these will be relaxed too soon and in that case the hotel/pub/mandir will have to make sure the numbers coming in.

 

There will always be valid reasons to open things back up but they might not be pragmatic. People have to decide how much they value their health and safety.

[radicaldude]

24 minutes ago, kunjanp said:

I don't agree with the increase in threat level, have been through many airports where such frisking is done properly. Let's see how the execution pans out.

 

I don't think we can assume that the same number of people will be travelling through the system every day. If the queue is made which atleast 6 feet distance in between, the number of people entering the system will reduce automatically.

And if there are designated spots inside metro where a person can stand/sit to maintain distance, then I honestly don't see it being any different than how people are gracing malls and streets with their visit everyday with AC's working in the former.

 

Also Japan and France didn't close down their public transport when cases were climbing and they had some interesting results with hardly any coronavirus cluster forming up.

Now yes, there is a difference between those countries and Delhi, so the thing comes back upon the people.

 

Parties/mass function/religious functions are avoidable while commute to work is not. But yes, I am pretty sure these will be relaxed too soon and in that case the hotel/pub/mandir will have to make sure the numbers coming in.

 

There will always be valid reasons to open things back up but they might not be pragmatic. People have to decide how much they value their health and safety.

For stations that aren't underground, like Karol Bagh, maintaining 6 feet between two individuals is not only improbable but also impossible. 

 

Ps:- 60 lakhs passengers each day is the average for delhi metro. 

 

Pps:- malls etc can enforce the sops at entry as the rights to admission are reserved. Delhi metro being a public good, can't deny entry to anyone. And thus the two can't really be compared. 

 

ppps:- France and Japan never had 70k+ cases each day. Afaik, South korea recently shut down their bars and restaurants again.

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by radicaldude

[Walker]

 

[harjas]

9 hours ago, kunjanp said:

Which exams? I personally haven't seen any university holding exams which aren't virtual.

Do you mean JEE/NEET?

In that case, those have already been postponed enough that it will have a long lasting effect on a student's career. I honestly don't think they can postpone them any further without effectively giving every student a gap year.

Prepare to be amazed
I have 0 expectations from my university(IPU), Metro's opening + Exams held offline = recipe for disaster.

[KunjanPSD]

44 minutes ago, harjas said:

Prepare to be amazed
I have 0 expectations from my university(IPU), Metro's opening + Exams held offline = recipe for disaster.

I have a few friends in IPU and they haven't had their exams either but their individual colleges have been conducting smaller evaluations virtually. Idk how, I thought it was same for all of the university.

But I guess university can't do anything unless the Govt. gives the go ahead which I don't think will be the case for quite a while. And whenever that happens, I guess it will be for everyone.

[CarbonCore]

As a super-hermit who only ever leaves house to either go to a gym or a movie theater, how fked am I?  

 

 

[harjas]

36 minutes ago, kunjanp said:

I have a few friends in IPU and they haven't had their exams either but their individual colleges have been conducting smaller evaluations virtually. Idk how, I thought it was same for all of the university.

But I guess university can't do anything unless the Govt. gives the go ahead which I don't think will be the case for quite a while. And whenever that happens, I guess it will be for everyone.

IPU is under state government but they do not have the proper jurisdiction now thanks to the decision our SC took in favor of UGC, They can modify the assessment technique a bit which should be obvious but they most prolly won't.

Edit: smaller evaluations are a part of internal assessment which happened for us as well, DU conducted an OBE examinations so other ways of conducting the examinations should be observed and used considering the current state.

Edited August 30, 2020 by harjas

[Guest]

 

Coronavirus: India surpasses US for highest single-day rise in Covid-19 cases

 

India has set a record for the world's highest single-day increase in coronavirus cases. 

The nation, the world's third-most infected, on Sunday reported 78,761 new cases in 24 hours, passing the number posted in the US on 17 July.

On Sunday, global infections passed the 25 million mark, with 843,000 deaths.

 

This week India will overtake Brazil. 

[Big Boss]

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-crosses-80000-cases-in-a-day-first-country-to-do-so/articleshow/77841508.cms

 

80k cases per day. Growth rate increased from 4.7% to 13.1% and fatalities increased to 3.9% from 1.7% compared to last week.

I blame the casual attitude of people more than anything.

[Bhpian Bali]

This crisis requires a people's movement. It is beyond government's control now. Everyone for themselves. But forget about suspected cases when confirmed infected people are happily going out and buying vegetables as per a post in this thread. 

 

Donald Trump would be a happy man that some other country is going to cross US's tally soon.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Bhpian Bali

[dylanjosh]

If only we had a leader to inspire the people or something.

 

I don't agree with absolving govt of any responsiblity and just saying "peeople gonna people yo".

 

The whole point of having leaders is to guide the people in the right direction, to educate them. 

Edited August 31, 2020 by dylanjosh

[radicaldude]

19 minutes ago, Bhpian Bali said:

This crisis requires a people's movement. It is beyond government's control now. Everyone for themselves. But forget about suspected cases when confirmed infected people are happily going out and buying vegetables as per a post in this thread. 

 

Donald Trump would be a happy man that some other country is going to cross US's tally soon.

 

Swach bharat was a people's movement as well. Though physical infrastructure i.e. toilets were made, people don't use them. It needs a behavioral change that should come from within. However, if it doesn't, someone needs to step in and enforce the rules. 

We can't expect people to blindly follow rules and maintain social distancing. It is just not possible. Hence this can't be used as an excuse to abdicate responsibilities of controlling the pandemic, imho. 

[Bird Bird Bird]

6 minutes ago, dylanjosh said:

If only we had a leader to inspire the people or something

I think it's more to do with our "chalta hai" mentality than anything else. 

 

We were at our newborn's pediatrician some days back. The clinic is situated in a residential colony, and we saw a f**kton of people roaming without masks, particularly young chaps. 

 

While we were going back to the car, one random guy approached us, TOOK OFF HIS MASK, and started selling some stuff ! I so wanted to abuse the sh*t out of him right there, but we just hurried back and drove away. The pediatrician is amazing, but we are thinking twice now since her clinic is located in a society where nobody was following any rules, and while we wear masks, the newborn is exposed. 

[dylanjosh]

Just now, Bird Bird Bird said:

I think it's more to do with our "chalta hai" mentality than anything else. 

 

 

 

Is India the only country with this attitude?

[dylanjosh]

Reminder that Kanataka was doing very well in the early stages despite having peeople with "chalta hai" attitute.

 

Dont know what happened after that? opened routes from other states?

 

Or maybe you're right and the "chalta hai" attitute kicked in. Whole thing is a shitshow. 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by dylanjosh

[Big Boss]

I totally blame government too. These f**king idiots started spinning the narrative with messages like "DOUBLING RATE INCREASED" "RECOVERY RATE INCREASED" "LOWEST DEATH RATE" "POSITIVITY RATE INCREASED"

The MoH kept changing the goal posts. The assholes are not talking about doubling rate at all now as it's completely f**ked.

The dumb Indian people got such "positive" messages and started taking this lightly. Media also to be blamed equally as they started posting headlines echoing the false narrative. All news about unlocks were prefixed with Good news. Like : Good news, buses are starting. Good news, malls are opening etc. How the f**k is opening malls good news when over 1000 people are dying everyday?