roun90 Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 If SE isn't happy with sales and sales on Xbox and PC are bad - GP might be a dangerous trend! Unless MS's money is enough to magically cover SE's sales expectations, putting it on GP will just canibalize the PS sales - where the majority sales happened and disillusion SE even more I feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zod Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, roun90 said: If SE isn't happy with sales and sales on Xbox and PC are bad - GP might be a dangerous trend! Unless MS's money is enough to magically cover SE's sales expectations, putting it on GP will just canibalize the PS sales - where the majority sales happened and disillusion SE even more I feel MS pays big amount to 3rd party devs and publishers to put games on GPU. SE will make lot of money regardless. Im pretty sure FF16 and Remake both will come to GP by next year but MS will have to drop big bag of cash. And i will not care or play these games even if they are on GP coz i dont like FF games. Edited June 18 by Zod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, Zod said: MS pays big amount to 3rd party devs and publishers to put games on GPU. SE will make lot of money regardless. This is utter crap. Microsoft doesn't publicly disclose the specific per-game payments for Xbox Game Pass. There is no guarantee that SE will "make a lot of money". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 M$ has never put a third party game of this budget & caliber on GamePass as soon as its out on Xbox. No one knows how much they will offer…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zod Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, gecko89 said: This is utter crap. Microsoft doesn't publicly disclose the specific per-game payments for Xbox Game Pass. There is no guarantee that SE will "make a lot of money". I didn't say they will make enough to make up for loss but they get paid alot regardless. SE will not put FF16 without charging good amount plus they will get more based on downloads and all. Since FF16 is universal flop, i expect it to be on gamepass by end of this year. Its pretty much known fact that MS pays alot of money to get games on GP. Whole article was posted on it. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-some-sense-of-how-much-money-microsoft-pays-for-day-one-game-pass-launches/1100-6517832/ MS spend billions every year in total to get 3rd party games on Games. It includes upfront payment plus usage/download based payments as well. Edited June 18 by Zod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Zod said: I didn't say they will make enough to make up for loss but they get paid alot regardless. SE will not put FF16 without charging good amount plus they will get more based on downloads and all. Since FF16 is universal flop, i expect it to be on gamepass by end of this year. Its pretty much known fact that MS pays alot of money to get games on GP. Whole article was posted on it. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-some-sense-of-how-much-money-microsoft-pays-for-day-one-game-pass-launches/1100-6517832/ MS spend billions every year in total to get 3rd party games on Games. It includes upfront payment plus usage/download based payments as well. Went through the article and it's some analysts expectation of what the dev (partner) might ask. Larian's co-founder even seems bewildered at this document and asks if he can meet this "analyst". This again doesn't prove what xbox pays for putting games on GP and definitely doesn't prove that SE will "make a lot of money". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 On 6/17/2025 at 6:16 PM, Zod said: SE not happy. Its flop as per SE Only in lalaland a game selling 3 million in a week is a flop lol. Maybe SE expectation were Ragnarok or spidey2 numbers which was a long stretch. No way its a flop. Surely a profitable venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 15 minutes ago, hope said: Only in lalaland a game selling 3 million in a week is a flop lol. Maybe SE expectation were Ragnarok or spidey2 numbers which was a long stretch. No way its a flop. Surely a profitable venture. It entirely depends on the budget. AAA games, take a lot of money to build nowadays. If you deduct Sony’s cut, assuming around 20 to 30% from the revenues, apart from development costs, add the cost of localisation, distribution, marketing, sales, voice acting, etc , there is a good chance that this game did not meet the expectations of the publisher ! It’s not Lala land, unfortunately, it’s the reality of AAA game development these days ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, hope said: Only in lalaland a game selling 3 million in a week is a flop lol. Maybe SE expectation were Ragnarok or spidey2 numbers which was a long stretch. No way its a flop. Surely a profitable venture. Profitable or not is based on the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 It also depends how much it has sold over the past two years. Not just week 1. There seems to be no new information apart from the Initial week1 3.5m sales. It’s not possible that it stopped altogether after week1 until start of year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zod Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 3 hours ago, hope said: Only in lalaland a game selling 3 million in a week is a flop lol. Maybe SE expectation were Ragnarok or spidey2 numbers which was a long stretch. No way its a flop. Surely a profitable venture. Its a flop as per SE. Tere rone se kuch nahi hoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Zod said: Its a flop as per SE. Not really. "profits did not meet their expectations" doesn't mean flop. Simply means it was profitable but not upto to their expectations. Like I said SE always had inflated sales expectations. FF16 flopped on PC and especially Xbox, they're not even acknowledging the numbers. https://www.gamesindustry.biz/square-enix-says-sales-of-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-and-final-fantasy-16-did-not-meet-expectations Edited June 19 by gecko89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) All 3rd parties should choose xbox to make deals with ,get that upfront money for development and release on gamepass as well as other platforms day 1 including ps and pc. A win win for all the parties involved and the gamers irrespective of the platform they choose. developers dont have to worry about anything then as long as the game is good eg . Expedition 33 which has sold extremely well by going down this path. Making deals with ps doesn’t make much sense if your goal is to reach maximum day 1 audience and cash in on the hype. Y sell 2 million when you can sell 5 Edited June 19 by triggr happy ss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Expedition 33 is an AA Game with a much smaller budget & Price Tag. Startup studios with little backing are the ones usually taking upfront money from M$ for Day1 GP releases. Comparing that with SquareEnix’s Mainline Final Fantasy game is blasphemous. Big Publishing Houses which can fund their games well usually have no interest in GamePass. Bobby Kotick already explained in oath that it makes Zero monitory sense for big names to release day1 onto subscriptions as of the current scenario. M$ themselves are looking for day1 sales revenue on PS & Switch & you still are stuck up on the thought that Subscription revenue is of any significance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 12 hours ago, triggr happy ss said: All 3rd parties should choose xbox to make deals with ,get that upfront money for development and release on gamepass as well as other platforms day 1 including ps and pc. A win win for all the parties involved and the gamers irrespective of the platform they choose. developers dont have to worry about anything then as long as the game is good eg . Expedition 33 which has sold extremely well by going down this path. Making deals with ps doesn’t make much sense if your goal is to reach maximum day 1 audience and cash in on the hype. Y sell 2 million when you can sell 5 So you want Fromsoft to take some measly money and put Elden ring 2 on GP and let go billion dollars. Absolute non sense deal. GP is a filler and trash game machine. Hope it dies soon, anyway hardly any growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 He wants Tensent,SquareE,Capcom,FromSoft,Ubisoft,EA,Take-Two,Sega,WB,Konami,NamcoB,505Games to take measly money from M$ & sacrifice major amounts of Day1 Sales on Playstation,Switch & Steam… …When M$ themselves are not confident & have stopped promoting their own ecosystem as sole Day1 entry into their own games & releasing on these platforms now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zod Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 6/19/2025 at 9:59 PM, triggr happy ss said: All 3rd parties should choose xbox to make deals with ,get that upfront money for development and release on gamepass as well as other platforms day 1 including ps and pc. A win win for all the parties involved and the gamers irrespective of the platform they choose. developers dont have to worry about anything then as long as the game is good eg . Expedition 33 which has sold extremely well by going down this path. Making deals with ps doesn’t make much sense if your goal is to reach maximum day 1 audience and cash in on the hype. Y sell 2 million when you can sell 5 You made all ponies triggered with this post. lol And SE is Japan Ubisoft, they will end up in same place as Ubisoft soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 So you mean you do agree that Ubisoft rather decided to sell its stocks than taking money from M$ for day1 GamePass….that’s how bad an idea they thought it was!! And SquareE will also chose the same rather than applying the abysmal thought that your bright friend here just shared!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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