john117 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 ^^ pushy beta/beti hyper mat ho pehle padho .. phir bolo .. here are some parts of responses of various isps to TRAI's call for consultation paper on "Bandwidth required for ISPs for better connectivity and improved quality of service" from airtel's response Q 3.3Any other suggestion to improve quality of internet / Broadband access to end users? Bharti’s Response: 1. The regulator should enable the following: a. Local Loop unbundling for enhancing the broadband access penetration b. Easy access to ROW for accelerating the access network growth 2. Internet across the world is a best effort based services as the whole network is managed by various Carriers / ISPs / ASPs and datacenters. The network itself is highly unpredictable and is influenced by various events, usages, existing performance levels and failures across the world. However analyzing it closely Internet means connecting the user to the content and vice versa. The quality of services depends on transferring IP packets with predictable network availability and quality parameters. To make the network more predictable and to bring sanity, it is as mandatory to bring the content closer to the user as much as possible. 3. A joint effort by the regulator and various/content providers is required for localizing the content within the country. The same can be facilitated by moving to higher level of Internet exchange on domestic level and datacenters in the country. The traffic between the service providers within the country should get switched with in the country and should not loop back through international route and other transit provider. More and more datacenters should be built up in the country which should facilitate the co-location of most popular content with in the country and even to regional levels. 4. Also the service providers should be free to implement fair usage policy and restrict the few bandwidth huggers’ from the pack who deteriorate the experience of the majority normal users. ****ing *******s.. customers who try to make full use of a service which they hav paid for are now being called bandwidth huggers .. cheap tactics by airtel to accomodate more customer without expanding the infrastructure.. here is mtnl's response Any other suggestion to improve quality of Internet/ Broadband access to endusers? Reply: The criteria of peak time bandwidth usage will be perhaps better than contention ratio. Peak time bandwidth usage can be restricted to say 90 % and it should be ensured that more bandwidth is provisioned as soon as peak bandwidth usage exceeds a predetermined value. The cost of International Bandwidth should be reduced so as to make it affordable for the ISPs to provide more internet bandwidth to the end user keeping the tariff same. bit more sensible... no mention of caps here is the reliance's response .. i) The contention ratio is not a good QoS indicator in the ‘capped environment’.(ii) It is not easy to estimate contention ratio for mobile internet access (iii) The service providers monitor real time contention ratio and optimize resources to provide the promised speed to the subscribers. (iv) The regulatory intervention should be limited to prescribe the standards and not specify how to achieve those standards. (v) The contention ratio may result in inefficient utilization of resources and increase the cost of delivery of service. ( reply to issue 3.2) (vi) For consumers the end result is relevant i.e. speed of the internet and not the contention ratio. The content ratio is not comparable between different technologies and different service providers as that would depend on the user profile and usage pattern. VI Recommendation 1. The TRAI should not specify the contention ratio as QoS parameter. 2. Since wireless access, especially the mobile access is expected to fuel the growth of broadband services, and the contention ratio can not be easily measured for such services, the use of Contention Ratio as Quality of Service parameter is not suggested. again no mention of caps .. if u read the whole document .. reliance has commented at some places that capped connections are not good for customer.. also its the most polished and focused one.. sify d. Fair Use Policy: Another area which the Regulator would need to work is inthe Fair Usage Policy. Our internal study indicates that the Top 20% of the users consume 80% of the bandwidth (OFCOM indicates top 10% of the customers consume more than twice the bandwidth consumed by the rest 90% of the customers). It would be prudent for the service providers to have a fair use policy, especially in the unlimited category where the customer can be restricted on the download speed once a threshold is reached. This will enable all the Broadband Users to have an equitable access to the broadband capacity and improve quality of experience in general to all the users. Fair Use Policies followed by some of the leading ISPs in the world in association with their respective regulatory authorities are mentioned below: i. Orange, UK fair use policy | orange ii. AOL, UK Broadband Answers from AOL Broadband | AOL Broadband frequently asked questions iii. AT&T, USA Marketing Trials - AT&T and AT&T Trials Tiered Broadband in Nevada fair usage my a*s .. **** u sify **** u... tata 3.3 Any other suggestion to improve quality of Internet/ Broadband access to endusers? Transparent customer communication, coupled with customer education.! awareness should be promoted; this can address improvement of OoS of Internet I Broadband services. Mechanism to guarantee and monitor key Quality of Service parameters like throughput, latency, etc are already in place through the Quality of Service for Broadband Regulation. ISPs and UAS Licensees are regularly reporting QOS parameters quarterly enabling effective monitoring of QOS by the Authority. We strongly believe, the existing framework if working well and there is no pressing need to incorporate any additional parameters. Perception of QOS is very subjective. Focus at present should be to catalyze uptake of Internet through affordable tariffs and relevant content. Phew .. no mention of data cap.. so this is what happend, trai called for isp's view .. other isp's responded but airtel jumped the gun and implemented it too.. posted at broadband forums.. Originally Posted by kalpikWTF! You want to give everyone equal access, let there be just ONE plan! That's what's equal. Im f***ing paying more money than the other guy NOT to get equal access! What a load of ****! Its just a poor excuse these lamers have for not having the proper infrasctucture in place to support their userbase. Imagine if tomorrow gmail says "you've received more than 100 mails in this month, so we're gonna have to make you wait 30 mins each time you wanna access any of your mail obviously, to give a "fair" chance to other users. Utter bull ****. pure gold ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 This is the only time I will ever say it. Thank f**k I am on MTNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killeramit Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I say porno kills bandwith. Stop downloading ppl. DAMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Karnage Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Even though Reliance are not mentioning data caps they do not want contention ratio as a QoS parameter. Which translates to - 'Reliance wants to increase the contention ratio (i.e. more customers for them) and they will reduce speeds during high load, if someone complains stall them until load is reduced or the customer gives up in frustration'. TRAI should just say to the ISPs - Provide bandwidth and data limit as per the plan. As for a 'fair' QoS the bandwidth (to any international site NOT to ISP's server) should never fall below 90% of the plan's rated bandwidth and it should not fall below 99% more than 10% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systematic Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Does anyone know when the base broadband infrastructure in India was created and what is it's full potential? Because the way things are going here it seems while the world is progressing towards broadband growth and penetration of potential markets, in India we take a step back everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartlovers Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'm glad it's 150GB for 1MB/s but this is still a horrible idea. Us users shouldn't suffer because the ISP's are too cheap to expand their infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john117 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 err the 512k and 1mbps home plus plans are back on airtel website and there is no mention of fair usage .. but a fishy statement at bottom **Applicable only for Residential Customers with Single PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 ^I guess they mean not for cybercafes or something. There's nothing wrong with sharing one broadband line over wifi or ethernet at your home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalRajput Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Came to Delhi in January and got connected with MTNL 256kbps Unlimited @ Rs.599/month which included phone line + 100 free calls combo. Start of february, upgraded the plan to 512/512 5GB data + 200 free calls + phone line for Rs.649/month. Good news is that the line men after sever complaints for not upgrading my speed, has stuck me on a 2mbps profile so I am actually getting speeds of 2mbps/512kpbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastAvenger Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 f**king Airtel needs to make up their mind so that i can make my mind whether to get rid of them or not. I think with so much responses and crap they should just re-iterate their crap FUP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartlovers Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I don't think they'll pull the trigger on this. The Customer Service guy told me they didn't implement any policies like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Came to Delhi in January and got connected with MTNL 256kbps Unlimited @ Rs.599/month which included phone line + 100 free calls combo. Start of february, upgraded the plan to 512/512 5GB data + 200 free calls + phone line for Rs.649/month. Good news is that the line men after sever complaints for not upgrading my speed, has stuck me on a 2mbps profile so I am actually getting speeds of 2mbps/512kpbs Dont be too happy. They did the same thing to me. Speed (and reality) came crashing down to earth in a couple of weeks. Make hay while the sunshines. Got any HD rips to download? Get them now. You have a small window before its back to half a meg download land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalRajput Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dont be too happy. They did the same thing to me. Speed (and reality) came crashing down to earth in a couple of weeks. Make hay while the sunshines. Got any HD rips to download? Get them now. You have a small window before its back to half a meg download land. lol, can't really do much with 5GB data allowance. Youtube daily take a bit of bandwith. Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hmm sorry didnt read the download limit bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john117 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 on a airtel 448kbps plan .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systematic Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Anybody here has any experience with routers? I was thinking of picking this one up for INR 1550/- Need some advice on the following: * I've already been given a static IP from TATA (10.9.60.xx), and the default IP for NETGEAR routers starts with "192.168.1." so how exactly would this work out? * I use a javascript page to login, so how would I set up the settings for the router to login automatically (PPPoE)? * My PC has been assigned a MAC address would this cause any problems? * Any other things you guys think should be mentioned feel free.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cray Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 MTNL unlimited 599. Really bad technicians. They could never set up my home network ever. Luckily I have some knowledge, and have always set it up myself after they give up. So guys if you have no knowledge of setting internet in your computer you will have lot of probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john117 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 f*** airtel .. just got a call from reliance they are rolling out Reliance Wimax in my area 600Kbps UL(yeah real UL no unFairusage policy ) for 1399 no installation charge no deposit.. told them to send there guy to my place on 1st march and told the airtel cc to kindly F-off and take back their modem and line at end of feb.. sigh! wat days im dumping one isp i used to love most for one i used to hate most .. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclops Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Anybody here has any experience with routers? I was thinking of picking this one up for INR 1550/- Need some advice on the following: * I've already been given a static IP from TATA (10.9.60.xx), and the default IP for NETGEAR routers starts with "192.168.1." so how exactly would this work out? * I use a javascript page to login, so how would I set up the settings for the router to login automatically (PPPoE)? * My PC has been assigned a MAC address would this cause any problems? * Any other things you guys think should be mentioned feel free.... i used to have reliance at some time...used with linksys WRT54G router u have to do the following: connect everything as it says on the router manual. switch everything on. wait for everything to boot up. try to access internet from ur PC. u shud get the same javascript where u used to login Login there. After this ur router should be ready and working Do this and see if its working...should work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
вι¢ннσσвαвα Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Can Anybody suggest a good Broadband Service Provider, as i am Planning to change service from Airtel. F**K Airtel for implementing the FUP. I stay in Bangalore. Edited March 2, 2009 by Sc0rp!0GuY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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