Suhas Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Phew....read the whole thread.............its better than a sherlock holmes novel....lol My Opinion: According to me ...... deepak screwd up big time.... now, he is patching it up wid lies (for his rep,obviously) now, that is leadin to lot of confusion now, hes solvin everything 1 by 1 accordin 2 me, as soon as deepak (or kiran) refunds every1s money, leave the poor guy alone (this myt hav been a BIG headache fr him n u ppl). mayb list him in the caution list. i dont believe in law suit etc... in my opinion deepak has 2 say the truth cumpletely (if that ws a lie)...thats the only way out n deepak u got an untrustworthy family out there (if that ws true) ---------------------------------------------- n great goin wid ur sherlock holmes skills, obaid bhai --------------------------------------------- You are throwing the same 2 cents again and again. Who is blaming you about this? I am not asking about how you deal. Im not asking for an explanation as to what you traded or how you did it. Thats immaterial to me. I dont understand why are you defending the 50 point limit. How does it matter to you? How does it matter to an honest seller either? Cant he wait for sometime? IMO, raising the post count limit can help honest members too who really want to be part of the community. Lemme tell u how Mostly, all the posts of new members seem like spam to us coz they dont know anyone and dont exactly know how to add to the conversation. Maybe even their first 50 posts might seem like gibberish to a senior member, but really we cannot even blame the honest members for that. It takes time to know people on the forum and know whats happening etc. So I'd suggested to raise the post count. After 100-150 posts, we can properly gauge the person and decide whether he is a worthwhile member or a plain spammer. Plus by then, atleast some members will have noticed him and his posts and can make atleast some impressions of the person. In this way, a true honest member who really wants to be part of the community can make a mark for himself and when he does post in TP, people will atleast recognize him. The negative effect is we might have wait out for a while till we figure out if the member is a wastage or he's an honest member just finding his way around here. I know I am contradicting my earlier statements where I said to reset immediately, but I figured now even honest members seem like spammers at the start. Again, I keep saying, no one's sole aim should be to reach TP, relevant or irrelavant posts. An honest member will understand the inc in post limit rather than crib about it. And again, I am not referring to you anywhere here, so please dont reply back with what YOU did alright. PERFECT ANSWER this was the case about me...my initial posts were gibberish (i agree) ....but now i kno sum ppl around here ... so i think im posting sumthing relavant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhas Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 n ya.....this thread is givin a lot of trps 2 this site......*ahem*....hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castiel Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 BTW, I have a suggestion to curb a "bit" of this scamming menace. You can keep any kind of post limit / other limit to allow someone to join the TP but no one should be allowed to "sell" things before they "buy". Anyone willing to sell somthing on GI should have a minimum number of "buying" feedback points couple with a time limit before being allowed to sell. An example policy would contain these 3 rules:1. Minimum 50 posts to post in TP. 2. Minimum 3 buying feeback points before being allowed to sell. 3. Minimum membership of 3 months before being allowed to sell. These might not deter a scam if being committed by some old member but atleast they would have to do it form their real ID rather than just creating a new one overnight, filling up their quota of min. posts (any number, does not matter) in a week or so and then go on a scamming spree. Moreover, another side point. We've got to have a min. turn around time thing for payment and shipping. e.g. the item absolutely MUST reach the buyer within x days (a week?) of payment confirmation. If not, total refund should be in order. and this reminded me of my own thread new members if seen trolling through tp of others shud b banned ,they dont know wat they r talking about and give false impression to other or sumthing like that shud b done against such peoples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed4476 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 This is not about "punishing" *new* members. This is about saving ALL the members from another incident like this. I don't think deepak (if he was indeed the main culprit) would have pulled it off from his main ID if he didn't have any other option.A change is not a bad thing. And incidents are what force a change. If everything goes on hunky-dory, then there is no need to change. But rules indeed need to be atleast re-looked at, in the aftermath of an incident so that it doesn't recur. For many people this is an issue just because the money involved is in 10s of Ks. But there are a lot of students here on GI, for whom 1.5 k they paid out for a game holds much more value than someone else's 15 K. If we are just going to consider not "punishing" new members, then why do we even have a 50 post count limit. Lets remove it altogether and be done with it. After all, its just the buyer's headache to confirm everything. The 50 post rule is to stop the Fly-by-night operators, not for "punishing" new members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinitwins Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 This is not about "punishing" *new* members. This is about saving ALL the members from another incident like this. I don't think deepak (if he was indeed the main culprit) would have pulled it off from his main ID if he didn't have any other option.A change is not a bad thing. And incidents are what force a change. If everything goes on hunky-dory, then there is no need to change. But rules indeed need to be atleast re-looked at, in the aftermath of an incident so that it doesn't recur. For many people this is an issue just because the money involved is in 10s of Ks. But there are a lot of students here on GI, for whom 1.5 k they paid out for a game holds much more value than someone else's 15 K. If we are just going to consider not "punishing" new members, then why do we even have a 50 post count limit. Lets remove it altogether and be done with it. After all, its just the buyer's headache to confirm everything. +1 extremely sound rationalization. tp qualification criteria needs retooling (time-based vs post count; min feedback points before granting access to starting new threads viz. selling items on the site) V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^Isn't that what I said in the first place... Edit: meant that for godspeed's post, not for vinitwins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed4476 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^Isn't that what I said in the first place...Edit: meant that for godspeed's post, not for vinitwins. No, wht u said was this, 1. Minimum 50 posts to post in TP. 2. Minimum 3 buying feeback points before being allowed to sell. 3. Minimum membership of 3 months before being allowed to sell why should i buy 3 unwanted products for selling/trading of my product/game, i may be needing the cash/game urgently and the same thumb rules applies to question no.3. this will only compel the members to buy unncessary stuff just so he can sell his Good's in TP. this mix sounds completely illogical to me, as it puts the "burden of guilt on the seller". the mods and admins should decide a proper mix for the TP, but it should not discourage new Members off the TP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^ That's just an "Example". Of course, there has to be a right mix to it. And moreover, the point is that in a place like GI TP, where we don't/can't have a moderating authority (like paisapay), everything apart, the best thing to get some trust going towards you as a new seller is how you are as a buyer. And I think anyone would always want to choose an option where 5 innocent members are unable to sell their goods over the option where 1 member can f*ck 5 others. Edit: And yes, the "burden of guilt", as you put it, _has_ to be on the seller, because a seller is always in the winning position as he is the one who gets his share (the money) first (well, atleast in 99.99% cases) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed4476 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Edit: And yes, the "burden of guilt", as you put it, _has_ to be on the seller, because a seller is always in the winning position as he is the one who gets his share (the money) first (well, atleast in 99.99% cases) This is GI not EBAY or AMAZON, all of us are gamers in here not businessmen(except for vendors section), i suppose u r new,if u look around the TP u will find tht most of the deals going here are WIN-WIN situation deal.and many a times the buyer is actually getting a better deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 No, wht u said was this, 1. Minimum 50 posts to post in TP. 2. Minimum 3 buying feeback points before being allowed to sell. 3. Minimum membership of 3 months before being allowed to sell why should i buy 3 unwanted products for selling/trading of my product/game, i may be needing the cash/game urgently and the same thumb rules applies to question no.3. this will only compel the members to buy unncessary stuff just so he can sell his Good's in TP. this mix sounds completely illogical to me, as it puts the "burden of guilt on the seller". the mods and admins should decide a proper mix for the TP, but it should not discourage new Members off the TP I agree you make the rules too strict and there are no more good deals to be had on TP. I think the 50 post count should be ok but mods need to come down real hard on spammers who bump week old threads or post two word replies for post count. Last thing we need or want is a knee jerk reaction to something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMNTR Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I think the 50 post count should be ok but mods need to come down real hard on spammers who bump week old threads or post two word replies for post count. +1 Because usually, the desperate ones are the most likely to be the culprits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 @GodSpeed, Aft: Ok guys, as you wish. As you are the old members, and I'm the "newbie", I'll shut up. Please carry on in your state of denial. Let us close our eyes to what has happened as evidently it is more important to have 100 cool deals than shutting out that 1 scammer who ruined the day for someone amongst us. PS: I sincerely pray that such a thing never happens again but just in case if ever you are at the receiving end, please do not create a thread here about it as obviously you'd have reaped a lot of benefits till then to offset the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^ Good bitterness there my man. Oh by the way in case you missed it, one of the people that might be involved is a member with over 2k posts and multiple positive feedbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Deepak and sridharcg are now officially blacklisted on TE http://www.techenclave.com/market/warning-...ers-123324.html Its high time , that GI does so as well , scorpio has given enough proofs to make Deepak a part of the guilty party. I have been reading on TE about deepakc and his fare share of problems with a few TE members for the last few weeks but didn't expected this , Is that Father expiring of XboxIndian on GI and sridharcg on TE mentioned is false or true ??? Pl. guys don't start a war here , our first priority is to settle this issue and punish the culprits and then look for alternatives on how to secure TP on GI even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^ Its not bitterness towards anyone, I guess I'm just bitter at what happened and don't want this to recur. People can claim that statistically we have 99.99% genuine deals, but for the one person who falls in the receiving end of that .01%, the statistics don't mean anything. BTW I didn't miss it, but infact I think you missed it in my first post where I said that if such kind of stricter rules were in place, that certain member would not have been able to create new IDs and carry out the damage through them so quickly, and would have had no other option than to use his actual ID which he wouldn't have risked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HundredProofSam Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Kiran himself told that you were the person who mentioned this incident and you gave him my number to contact me. I also have proof that you know that this incident happened. Your uncle(Mr.Ramachandra) mentioned this to you on Sunday and his son(Vishwas.R) also confrimed the same. So dont Bulls**t me saying that you never knew abt this incident. As for the money not being handed over to you by your cousin, thats another crap story. Because Vishwas.R clearly mentioned that he withdrew the money and gave it to DEEP@K. (If ur name is DEEP@K then it means he handed over the money to you) If your saying that Vishwas.R is lying, then i would be more than glad to call Mr.Ramachandra and confrim that information for you and ask him to talk to you also regarding the same. deepak, for your own good, you need to counter this convincingly...coz ur not looking good right about now peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 ^^ Its not bitterness towards anyone, I guess I'm just bitter at what happened and don't want this to recur. People can claim that statistically we have 99.99% genuine deals, but for the one person who falls in the receiving end of that .01%, the statistics don't mean anything. BTW I didn't miss it, but infact I think you missed it in my first post where I said that if such kind of stricter rules were in place, that certain member would not have been able to create new IDs and carry out the damage through them so quickly, and would have had no other option than to use his actual ID which he wouldn't have risked. I think I need to explain what I think. I believe people (most people anyway) are generally good, if a bit stupid. There are people out there who are out to make a quick buck, to con you but I think they are vastly outnumbered by honest people who are dont cheat and lie to get what they need. And thats not just true for GI but everywhere. I have been a regular here for a while now. And in that time I think a lot (and I mean A LOT) of trades and sales have happened here. The ones that have gone bad are a very, very small number. Take the TP feedback for an example. According to the current stats there are 1448 positive feedbacks and 23 negatives. Thats 1 bad trade for 94 good ones. They sound like very, very good odds but trust me they are normal becuase like I said most people are inherently good. And yes that even includes those idiots happily spamming their way to 50. No matter how stringent you make the rules you will still end up with 1% deals going bad. You CANT improve those odds. If some one is a scumbag and willing to cheat for a deal thats in his nature. He will do it if push comes to shove. Might not do it at 100 posts and 3 +ve feedbacks but he will if he needs to. The good ones wont. No matter what. Thats life. Harsher rules wont make this place anymore secure. Just more unfriendly. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HundredProofSam Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 i maybe the only one confused here, but can either karthik or obaid, tell us who is who? can yall link these people with their GI ID vushwas kiran rakshit peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaper Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Harsher rules wont make this place anymore secure. Just more unfriendly. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K'dash Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 deepak, for your own good, you need to counter this convincingly...coz ur not looking good right about nowpeace somebody's gona get a... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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