The News Thread

[Ne0]

^^ i remember reading it yest in some website, dont remember which one .... looks like congress topped with bjp/jd in second and third respectively.... not surprising really, anti incumbency is a huge factor in the south !

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

LOL, looks like someone read this thread , article in FP on TOI website Hopefully it'll cheer up saint and reduce his incessant bashing of the biased electronic media

 

Confident Congress not to rest on its laurels in Karnataka

Well it doesn't soothe me a bit, the blatant abuse of power by Media is shameful to say the least and not good for democracy, they are grossly misuisng freedom of press to manipulate entire masses for their own selfish gains or to soothe the prejudices of their major viewer base, that is not what media is suppossed to do, the freedom is not there to be abused and undermine the same priciples on which it stands, it is when the manipulation even blocks the brains of so called educated literate lots of the country then it is a huge concern for me and I will keep bringing this BS role of media wherever I can.

 

Congress & BJP or any other political party FTM is not my concern, they are well equipped & trained enough to manage their politics & don't need my support or views to reach their political aims !!!

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-test-fires-its-first-cruise-missile-nirbhay-341334

 

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-successfully-testfires-subsonic-cruise-missile-nirbhay/378250-3.html

 

 

Although missile fired successfully but it had to be terminated mid-flight, so this is a partial success, success no doubt !!!

[playstation]

^^nice. I hope they do more R&D here only..we have some of the best minds in the world...we can develop best defence things in the world...if for once our political system learns to make genuine use of it for the interest of our nation.

 

I would also like to see India more focus on space now......it is the next big thing for humanity...

[playstation]

 

 

Marines won't return: Foreign Ministry to lodge strong protest with Italy envoy, say sources

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New Delhi: The Ministry of External Affairs will lodge a strong protest with the Italian ambassador in New Delhi over the refusal of his country to send back two marines charged with killing two Kerala fishermen at sea last year, sources have told NDTV. The envoy had given a commitment to the Supreme Court in February that the two men would come back; he will be told that the two marines must return. The marines, who were in Delhi, were permitted by the court to spend four weeks at home to vote in national elections.

Here are the top 10 developments in this story:

1. Italy's Foreign Ministry wrote to India last night to say the marines, Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, will not return to face murder charges in India. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said this is "unacceptable".

2. The Indian government's dilemma: How to get the men back to face trial here. Government sources say options are limited and a political call is needed. One option, they say, is to expel the Italian envoy since he had given an undertaking in court that the men would be back. But a section of the government reportedly argues that this will only escalate a diplomatic row.

3. Another option being weighed is to continue the trial here in the absence of the two men, and if they are found guilty, seek an Interpol notice for their arrest. But, sources say, not many in the government feel this is viable.

4. A third option being looked at, say sources, is approaching the International Criminal Court, but India has insisted that this case is in its jurisdiction and is not keen to take it to an international forum.

5. Italy says that it is open to international mediation, but trying the sailors in India violates their rights and the principle of immunity for foreign state actors. Rome says they should be tried in an Italian court and that the shooting happened in international waters, which India disputes.

6. The main opposition party, the BJP, has accused the government of a diplomatic failure, and will demand an explanation in Parliament tomorrow.

7. The marines were scheduled to return to India on March 23. They had also been allowed by the Supreme Court to spend nearly two weeks at home for Christmas and had come back to India then.

8. Italy says the marines were part of an anti-piracy military security team for a cargo ship and shot the fishermen because they thought they were pirates.

9. In Kerala, the wife of one of the fishermen who was shot said: "This is nothing but a conspiracy at the highest level." The woman, who uses just her first name, Dora, said, "The Indian government should see that they bring back the two marines to stand trial in the case in our country."

10. Kerala Chief Minister Oommen Chandy said Italy's decision is unacceptable and said he will urge the Foreign Minister to escalate the issue. The Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the men should be tried by a special court to be set up by the central government in consultation with the chief justice. The decision removed the case from the jurisdiction of Kerala.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet/marines-won-t-return-foreign-ministry-to-lodge-strong-protest-with-italy-envoy-say-sources-341496

Sala harami log...ab bolta hai nahi bhejega....They think so low of us that they not even care of diplomatic row this could cause with us. India should not take this lightly...not at all..but with Sonia Gandhi may not let this escalate and let it go...

[ALPHA17]

I would also like to see India more focus on space now.it is the next big thing for humanity.

 

ISRO is doing very well thank you, not saying that it cannot do better but it is at the forefront of space development.

 

PSLV success rate is very good and I hope they can carry that to GSLV and we are set to enter the big league.

 

And honestly developing this stuff and sabre-rattling is something I would prefer not to happen. We still cannot make decent turbojet engines independently or for that matter assault rifles.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Well yes PSLV has done quite well if compared with the amount of budget that has been allocated to space programmes compared to other developing nations,

 

The best thing about DRDO right now is that they have a group of quite a lot of scientists between the age group of 25 -35 years old, although it is still far away from what should ideally be satisfactory, but these people have ben actively involved with development of these newer defence equipment, and this experience will only help the nation in the long run & will create assets for the nation.

 

The Italy thing is really depressing, they should not have been allowed to leave India in the first place, I do think there is something fishy about it, but I am unable to put my finger on it !! Probably some back door arrangement between Italy & Indian Government. I can't help but relate it with the VVIP chopper deal.

[Spacescreamer]

Sala harami log...ab bolta hai nahi bhejega....They think so low of us that they not even care of diplomatic row this could cause with us. India should not take this lightly...not at all..but with Sonia Gandhi may not let this escalate and let it go...

 

Had this been done to Israel, they would have got the marines bumped off.. + maybe another one to send a reminder that dont take us like softies.

But, cuz our politicians are only good for scams, horse trading money laundering and infightings.. they ll keep sitting like pushovers. Then they want to make India look like a superpower.. ullu kahin ke.

 

But imo, this renege by Italy has the potential to drag them internationally and defame them for breach of trust.. isnt it ?

[Nemo]

tbh if by letting the two marines go we can get the culprits of the chopper deal (and get them to spill beans regarding their indian partners in crime) then it would be worth it.

 

but i highly doubt it is, the shooters are just soldiers in an army while the chopper deal will have far reaching hands.. and italian govt has a lot more face to lose if one of its top defense company is indicted of corruption.

[Nemo]

it just looks like a massive goof up by indian authorities. when the duo went home last year fir christmas the contractual agreement was very strong regarding italy ensuring their timely return to india, including heavy monetary penalties.

 

this time as they went to vote, i didnt see any such iron clad signed agreement being reported. they just set us up.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

I feel a bigger political broth brewing, congress has probably roped in Italian government in indicting NDA ministers in VVIP chopper scam and in return they have struck a deal on all other pending matters between the 2 nations. With elections coming in a year corruption is a big problem for congress and I would think politically it makes sense to drag the opposition in the same hole.

 

Also the way CBI inquiry was started without even the opposition demanding for it, 3 month time for CBI to file report ( which falls just before summer session ), Refusal of JPC by Opposition, all fingers are pointing to a big political stunt, just like BJP did on Congress with the Anna Hazaare thing. They are going to drag them and bury them in corruption just before elections.

 

CBI report before summer session of parliament will tell it all !!

[ALPHA17]

Well yes PSLV has done quite well if compared with the amount of budget that has been allocated to space programmes compared to other developing nations,

 

That is what I meant, it is one of the cheapest launch vehicles and has a stellar record, the GSLV not so.

The best thing about DRDO right now is that they have a group of quite a lot of scientists between the age group of 25 -35 years old, although it is still far away from what should ideally be satisfactory, but these people have ben actively involved with development of these newer defence equipment, and this experience will only help the nation in the long run & will create assets for the nation.

 

Really don't know what goes on inside that giant white elephant, most of our indigenous equipment is various off the shelf components from different countries integrated into a single package.

[Nemo]

oh shiet. i forgot chopper deal was done under nda. congress has all the motive to get heavy dirt on them.

[Nemo]

 

Really don't know what goes on inside that giant white elephant, most of our indigenous equipment is various off the shelf components from different countries integrated into a single package.

I'd rather everyone including us lay down the space pipe for a few decades. there really is no reason for spending bajillions of money for vague space projects. i am not talking about satellites; they are much needed.. but things like planet exploration and fancy a*s telescopic cameras. they give us no result and nothing that is useable, much less advantageous in real world comes out of this investments.

 

all they serve is a purpose for few astronomy nerds to wank over the new colorful photo of a star that for all we know might be so old (cause of it being so far away that light takes years to reach) that the star might not even exist by the time the photo reaches earth.

 

there are much more pressing needs to be taken care off on earth, relevant things. creation of mass produced and powerful renewable energy source, making nuclear energy safe, improving agriculture, healthcare.

the space race started as a penis measuring contest between ussr and us and so far its been nothing else but, as a whole.

 

obama is rightfully culling budget of nasa this fiscal year.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Really don't know what goes on inside that giant white elephant, most of our indigenous equipment is various off the shelf components from different countries integrated into a single package.

 

Well the short range sub water nuclear capable missile that was recently launched is said to have been all indigenously built, also the nuclear reactor being used in INS Arihant is also said to be built indigenously, even the parts of INS Arihant are said to be over 95% indigenously produced by Indian companies and designed by Indian Scientists, saw a documentary on NDTV which showed all this. Don't know how much of it is true though, but India is moving towards Indigeneous technology, it is still very slow though.

 

Once the growth is back on track we can probably see more indigenously built defence equipments in the next 5 - 10 years !!

[ALPHA17]

 

I'd rather everyone including us lay down the space pipe for a few decades. there really is no reason for spending bajillions of money for vague space projects. i am not talking about satellites; they are much needed.. but things like planet exploration and fancy a*s telescopic cameras. they give us no result and nothing that is useable, much less advantageous in real world comes out of this investments.

 

Don't know where you got that from, we already get a fraction of what NASA gets and still manage to do all right, ISRO makes quite a bit of revenue by launching satellites for other nations (French, Israeli and EU).

 

Also my statement is with DRDO in mind.

all they serve is a purpose for few astronomy nerds to wank over the new colorful photo of a star that for all we know might be so old (cause of it being so far away that light takes years to reach) that the star might not even exist by the time the photo reaches earth.

 

Most of our satellites are for other purposes, remote sensing, weather and telecommunications. Read before making statements please.

 

there are much more pressing needs to be taken care off on earth, relevant things. creation of mass produced and powerful renewable energy source, making nuclear energy safe, improving agriculture, healthcare.

the space race started as a penis measuring contest between ussr and us and so far its been nothing else but, as a whole.

 

Maybe you need to find out what is happening on the ISS, research is on to produce medicine and new techniques of agriculture. Everything is interrelated, please don't crucify something if results are not in front of you 24 x7.

 

In-fact no news is generally good news. Instead of hearing about scams and irregularities in other departments.

obama is rightfully culling budget of nasa this fiscal year.

 

It will come back to haunt us. Maybe it started as a race for prestige in the days of the Cold War but now it is crucial we accrue knowledge of space as fast as we can. The Earth is finite, eventually we need to cast ourselves into the void of space. In-fact we know more about space currently than we know about oceans.

 

Also whether you accept it or not, during war-time / conflict the rate at which technologies are tried, tested and accomplished is far greater than in times of peace.

Well the short range sub water nuclear capable missile that was recently launched is said to have been all indigenously built, also the nuclear reactor being used in INS Arihant is also said to be built indigenously, even the parts of INS Arihant are said to be over 95% indigenously produced by Indian companies and designed by Indian Scientists, saw a documentary on NDTV which showed all this.Don't know how much of it is true though, but India is moving towards Indigeneous technology, it is still very slow though.

 

Which nuclear missile are you referring too, the Sagarika? It is developed from existing Agni class of missiles, for now I shall not celebrate.

 

The INS Arihant's reactor takes a lot of technologies from the former Soviet Union's technology, In-fact the submarine might as well be seen as a extensive redesign of the Akula class. Dr. Manmohan Singh thanked Russian cooperation on launch of the Arihant and all our sailors who have experience in nuclear powered submarines cut their teeth on a Akula-class vessel leased by USSR in the late 1980's -->1991.

 

The only thing totally indigenous is the hull cast, done by TATA Industries but then we already are aware of their mettle.

Once the growth is back on track we can probably see more indigenously built defence equipments in the next 5 - 10 years !!

 

I hope so but for now it is hopelessly outmoded technology we work on. We don't have proper R &D facilities and forget about fostering private players. Things look grim.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-successfully-testfires-underwater-missile/article4350553.ece

 

 

Also all the internal equipments of the submerged pontoon used to carry out the launch were indigenously built ( as stated and shown in that documentary), Russia did help but the core design of nuclear reactor was indigenous and India now has the capability to built more such reactors without the help of any other country. K-15 was also stated to be completely indegnous

 

Also as defence related details are never reproduced in it's entirety in the public space, so I can't say much about it with too much of a conviction. They do mention INS Arihant is indegnously built. I wonder how much of it is true

 

 

With the completion of developmental trials, the process of integrating K-15 missile with INS Arihant, the indigenously-built nuclear submarine

 

It was during the launch of this K-15 missile that the team of scientists was shown, and they all looked very young, unofficially about 50% of them were between the age of 25 - 35, that's a lot of improvement in comparison to previous years.

[Nemo]

yeah. we dont know half of what goes on earth and yet space is the final frontier. we havent managed to go beyond 10 km (approx.) downwards from earth's surface and yet stuff light years away takes priority.

 

we still cannot predict earth quakes and yet placing a robot on mars is that what we show as a proof of our scientific intellect.

 

i am not targetting drdo alone, all of the countries are responsible. launching satellites is much needed but spending resources on pointless space expeditions is a giant waste.

 

sure we get some technological run offs from space research that affect the real world but why cant they be achieved directly without the facade ?

[ALPHA17]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-successfully-testfires-underwater-missile/article4350553.ece

 

This is the Sagarika, it is based off the Prithvi and Agni land based launch systems, we are just adapting them to the ocean platform. Not a bad thing but not a thing for which I will dance, this should have happened years ago.

 

The inertia in the bureaucracy w.r.t. such matters is appalling to put it in short.

Also all the internal equipments used to carry out the launch were indigenously built ( as stated and shown in that documentary), Russia did help but the core design of nuclear reactor was indigenous and India now has the capability to built more such reactors without the help of any other country.

 

You do know that PWM reactors are a lot like ARM architecture, anyone with the know how can develop and have them fabricated but the basics remain same.

 

This is the same reason nuclear technology proliferation is such a hot topic.

Also as defence related details are never reproduced in it's entirety in the public space, so I can't say much about it with too much of a conviction.

 

There is a reason I speak with conviction, because I am an enthusiast in this field as well as have access to hard-knowledge from a variety of institutions. (strictly defence speak)

[ALPHA17]

yeah. we dont know half of what goes on earth and yet space is the final frontier. we havent managed to go beyond 10 km (approx.) downwards from earth's surface and yet stuff light years away takes priority.

 

we still cannot predict earth quakes and yet placing a robot on mars is that what we show as a proof of our scientific intellect.

 

i am not targetting drdo alone, all of the countries are responsible. launching satellites is much needed but spending resources on pointless space expeditions is a giant waste.

 

Our defence industries are also dependent on the success of GSLV.

 

The PSLV can be weaponised and we get an Agni.

 

I am not saying give a priority to any particular science but neither am I crucifying some other branch for lack of the same depth of knowledge.

 

There is a simple reason why exploring oceanic depths is a problem. It is called pressure, if you can forward a design, element that allows research to continue in the depths please put the idea forward.

sure we get some technological run offs from space research that affect the real world but why cant they be achieved directly without the facade ?

 

Because if things were so simple, we would not politics to form a government, a defence service to protect us or money in our lives.

 

Also, everything in this day and age is interrelated to the point that you cannot advance in one sphere by stalling development somewhere else.

 

 

Also I think the discussion is heading way off the rails.