The News Thread

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

I have a vague (not very specific knowledge about PWR - Pressurised Water Reactors) which I believe was used in INS Arihant, the architecture i have no clue about, but as far as i could find out it was the sound that was the critical part when emulating this technology for a submarine, and I belive this is where the Russian help was taken, the core is all indegnous and although not that impressive as to surpass other countries, but it does give India a bit of an edge for having completed the Triad succefully. We can only go forward from here, and that is a positive sign.

 

Also yes thread is getting derailed, and a lot of people have shown their resentment when this thread goes wayward, I believe it's time for me to let this thread rest for a couple of days again, before raking up the 'Biased electronic media' campaign again !!!

[ALPHA17]

Yes I have a vague (not very specific knowledge about PWM - Pressurised Water Reactors, it was the sound that is the critical part when emulating this technology for a submarine, and I belive this is where the Russian help was taken, the core is all indegnous and although not that impressive as to surpass other countries, but it does give India a bit of an edge for having completed the Triad succefully.

 

You misunderstand me. It is not the noise issue that I am angling for, it is the overall reactor.

 

How do you classify it as indigenous, specific components are made in India? It was fabricated and put together here? Designed and executed it here?

 

Anything save the last classification is an eye-wash, we are doing the menial task while foreign assistance is necessary for the actual work. In this case making a nuclear reactor go critical.

 

Most of our civil nuclear projects are CANDU type PWR. Our indigenous specialization is in Plutonium based reactors and the submarine uses neither, the design is steeped in Soviet aid because the Arihant and indigenous aircraft carrier projects have been on since the days of Indira Gandhi (I am not joking).

Also yes thread is getting derailed, and a lot of people have shown their resentment when this thread goes wayward, I believe it's time to let this thread rest for a couple of days again, before raking up the 'Biased electronic media' campaign again !!!

 

I am not resentful but the purpose of the thread is to disseminate news that catches some members eye, we can discuss defence in some other thread or via PM if you feel so. Cheers!

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

I was actually talking about the Designed & executed part, for a layman the knowledge about defence projects is very hard to come by, and what I have been able to uncover is not as deep as I like my research to be, so I can't say anything with 100% conviction.

 

Although this is an interview with Mr. Anil Kakodkar where he emphatically states that it was designed & executed by India, I wonder if he was bluffing http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/ins-arihant-is-an-indian-design-anil-kakodkar/article3502.ece and it could very well be an eye wash as stated by you, yes we can surely talk via PM or in another related thread.

[ALPHA17]

Although this is an interview with Mr. Anil Kakodkar where he emphatically states that it was designed & executed by India, I wonder if he was bluffing http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/ins-arihant-is-an-indian-design-anil-kakodkar/article3502.ece and it could very well be an eye wash as stated by you, yes we can surely talk via PM or in another related thread.

 

Don't think he is bluffing, as said the entire hardware might have been done by Indian players (private enterprises and defence PSU's) but the presence and affirmation of Russian hand in the entire play indicts that certainly a lot of weight lifting was done on their part and they shared a lot of experience in such matters. Definitely sharing of certain techniques and finer aspects of the reactor might have been done by them.

 

Shoot, feel free to PM me on any topic, I shall try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Sure Bro, No probs !!

[playstation]

Space at this age is no longer a scientiic superirority show of nations . Earth is seeing trememndous changes...weather pattern has changed drastically.Fresh water supply is running low. ICE is melting in polar regions at alarming rate. I have posted this sometime back will post once again for some intellectuals to read...CIA had a report sometime back on how future wars could be due to water,food etc...With growing population and even small rogue nations armed with nukes ....you knows it time to think of a new places we can call home.

 

Lot of things that have been discovered by Nasa is not even out in open. Do you think with all the budget cutting they would still care to develop a $2 billion robot lab and send in middle of nowhere just to prove scientific might..

 

Also everything is connected...today everything we learning in space is helping us here in earth one way or the another. Looking at mars we can now predict how earth was millions of years ago. We can imagine our Sea Bed..Knowledge from these can be applied in lot of other places. Lot of space age technology has only helped humanity from vaccines to microwave to satellite communications and navigations etc.

 

At this age it is important to make sure we find a new home and resources as soon as possible.

[Ne0]

^^ somebody seems to be playing lot of Dead space

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/chinese-hackers-merrily-go-through-thousands-of-secret-files-of-20701.html

 

Well I don't believe IndiaTV is a crdible source at all. but i believe a same kind of attack happened back in Oct end 2012. With chinese being able to hack even US sites of national importance as well as MNC's in the recent past, it doesn't surprise me though that they did it with India as well

[playstation]

^^ somebody seems to be playing lot of Dead space

I have only played first one.

 

Its gives hope to humanity in whole new way. We are not alone also in the universe....Life exists elsewhere too.Its a natural thing...just like how are existence is for real there is life elsewhere for real too. It may be still in single cell form but it is there.Deep OCean exploration have revealed lot of life still existing where sun's rays has nto reached ever..still they exist.

 

Just exploring earth is not the only solution ....By staying here only we have wiped out so many species and so many are on extinction list. Life will only become harder if we continue to rely on just one source until we might come to a stage of nowhere out....The younger generation that is coming will face whole lot of challenges if we dont make build our roads towards future soon.

[playstation]

@neo,

 

 

Mars could have once supported life: NASA

 

Washington: An analysis of rock samples collected by the Curiosity rover indicates that Mars could have supported living microbes, the American space agency NASA has said.

"A fundamental question for this mission is whether Mars could have supported a habitable environment. From what we know now, the answer is yes," Michael Meyer, lead scientist for NASA's Mars Exploration Program told reporters yesterday.

 

http://zeenews.india.com/news/space/mars-could-have-once-supported-life-nasa_834998.html

[Nemo]

Space at this age is no longer a scientiic superirority show of nations . Earth is seeing trememndous changes...weather pattern has changed drastically.Fresh water supply is running low. ICE is melting in polar regions at alarming rate. I have posted this sometime back will post once again for some intellectuals to read...CIA had a report sometime back on how future wars could be due to water,food etc...With growing population and even small rogue nations armed with nukes ....you knows it time to think of a new places we can call home.

 

Lot of things that have been discovered by Nasa is not even out in open. Do you think with all the budget cutting they would still care to develop a $2 billion robot lab and send in middle of nowhere just to prove scientific might..

 

Also everything is connected...today everything we learning in space is helping us here in earth one way or the another. Looking at mars we can now predict how earth was millions of years ago. We can imagine our Sea Bed..Knowledge from these can be applied in lot of other places. Lot of space age technology has only helped humanity from vaccines to microwave to satellite communications and navigations etc.

 

At this age it is important to make sure we find a new home and resources as soon as possible.

 

 

all i am reading is lot of hot air i.e. hawa baazi and vague statements. Look, there is nothing I know that proves nasa's credibility and accountability and neither do you. All we can base our judgement is the things that are in the open and so far NASA and assorted space agencies have proven to be one giant black hole for investments. One can get better returns by blind gambling money on c*ck fights.

 

Sure it many have helped in some technologies that came out as a side effect of R&D for space but why they have to be by products ? why can't one push more vigorously head on in such pressing details in the first place. Also it'd be swell if you could name 10 such tech advancements that have greatly helped human race that came out of space exploration, you know, instead of painting a picture with poorly constructed sentences. I want facts, jack !

[Bird Bird Bird]

Also it'd be swell if you could name 10 such tech advancements that have greatly helped human race that came out of space exploration, you know, instead of painting a picture with poorly constructed sentences. I want facts, jack !

Here you go, Rose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

[Bird Bird Bird]

Oooooh. We''ve moar stuff Rose.

Human benefits from space exploration

 

The birth of the space age has spurred on a plethora of new ideas and ground-breaking technologies that are used in day-to-day living.

 

Health: During the early Apollo missions, scientists needed precise images of the moon’s surface in order to land the first man on the moon. In the 1960s, NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory created digital image processing, an innovative technology that uses computers to enhance images of the moon. In the medical field, scientists and researchers found that this technology could be used to enhance images of organs in humans. Today, digital image processing is used in Magnetic Resonance Imaging and CT scans.

 

Medicine: Before Dan Carter joined NASA in 1985, developing large amounts of protein crystal was a challenge. He and colleagues discovered that space-produced crystal could be used to make the atomic components of albumin(PDF), an essential human protein. They founded a called New Century Pharmaceuticals in 1997. Their findings helped lead to the development of a cancer drug combination approach and skin care products.

 

Information Technology: Captured by satellites, NASA’s Earth Observing System Data and Information System collects and archives information of the Earth’s atmosphere, oceans and vegetation on a daily basis. The massive amount of data accumulated has reached 4.5 petabytes. That’s equivalent to completely filling 90 million four-drawer file cabinets with paper, according to NASA’s 2010 “Spinoff” publication(PDF). To provide convenient access to the large data repositories, NASA partnered with Archivas Inc. to create a high-tech software program that can hold large amounts of information. Hospitals, cell-phone providers, businesses and organizations now use this same technology to store information.

 

Communications: Satellites play an instrumental role in how we communicate and navigate the world. In the 1960s companies including AT&T and RCA partnered with NASA and other space agencies to build and place satellites in the Earth’s orbit. Global positioning systems, television networks, radio stations and cell-phone carriers are all dependent on satellites to keep the world connected.

 

GPS in particular arose as a result of Sputnik, the Soviet satellite that launched in 1957. Changes in radio frequency helped U.S. scientists track where Sputnik was because of the Doppler effect - that is, a shift in the frequency of sound or light waves corresponds to a change in position. This principle led to a Navy navigation system called TRANSIT intended for submarines. GPS for continuous navigation was developed as a Defense Department initiative in the 1970s, leading to the launch of the first GPS satellite in 1978. The system was complete in 1995 (More about this from Time.com).

 

Environment: When the Saturn 1B launch stand (used in several Apollo missions) was disassembled, it was stored away in an open field. No one knew until years later that the launch stand was coated with a paint containing polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), a toxic chemical that was seeping into the Earth’s soil. Quinn and her colleagues created the Activated Metal Treatment System (AMTS), a paste-like solvent solution that extracts PCBs from paint without removing the paint itself. The innovative system has been redesigned since then to remove many forms of contamination and pesticides on land.

 

Transportation: The parachute shrouds that landed the Vikings on Mars have a fibrous material used in automobile tires. These state-of-the-art tires were originally developed by Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. Now the tires, famously called radial tires, are manufactured in factories around the world. They are five times more durable than steel and have an expected tread life 10,000 miles greater than conventional tires.

 

Public safety: Those powerful rocket launchers that propel spacecrafts into deep space are now fighting fires. Rory Groonwald, chief engineer at Orbital Technologies Corporation, partnered with the U.S. Air Force Fire Rescue Research Group to design a similar high-pressured system that suppresses fires in seconds. The technology also reduces water usage because the extreme force creates fines water droplets as opposed to an excessive flow.

 

Memory foam: For anyone who gets a better night’s sleep from a foam mattress, NASA’s to thank. The administration originally developed the polyurethane-silicon plastic to reduce harsh impact when spacecrafts landed. Now the famed foam is used in everything from automobiles and airplanes to helmets and horseback saddles.

 

We also have advanced water filtration systems for astronauts as a result of the space program.

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/20/exploring-space-whys-it-so-important/

[ALPHA17]

^^ Alekh Sire, I think quota of ten points has been superseded.

[Nemo]

Rose ? getting all titanic-y are we.

 

Anyway, lets do a run down shall we;

 

 

Human benefits from space exploration

The birth of the space age has spurred on a plethora of new ideas and ground-breaking technologies that are used in day-to-day living.

Health: During the early Apollo missions, scientists needed precise images of the moon’s surface in order to land the first man on the moon. In the 1960s, NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory created digital image processing, an innovative technology that uses computers to enhance images of the moon. In the medical field, scientists and researchers found that this technology could be used to enhance images of organs in humans. Today, digital image processing is used in Magnetic Resonance Imaging and CT scans.

Ok, this is good. Space has directly helped in a big way. I give it to you.

Medicine: Before Dan Carter joined NASA in 1985, developing large amounts of protein crystal was a challenge. He and colleagues discovered that space-produced crystal could be used to make the atomic components of albumin(PDF), an essential human protein. They founded a called New Century Pharmaceuticals in 1997. Their findings helped lead to the development of a cancer drug combination approach and skin care products.

'97 and cancer cure still has not reached the level of complete prevention or eradication like small pox or polio, i don't see how space has drastically helped here.

Information Technology: Captured by satellites, NASA’s Earth Observing System Data and Information System collects and archives information of the Earth’s atmosphere, oceans and vegetation on a daily basis. The massive amount of data accumulated has reached 4.5 petabytes. That’s equivalent to completely filling 90 million four-drawer file cabinets with paper, according to NASA’s 2010 “Spinoff” publication(PDF). To provide convenient access to the large data repositories, NASA partnered with Archivas Inc. to create a high-tech software program that can hold large amounts of information. Hospitals, cell-phone providers, businesses and organizations now use this same technology to store information.
I have always maintained that satellite launch for telecom, navigation and data storage is integral to our development and am only questioning the other space RnD investments.

Communications: Satellites play an instrumental role in how we communicate and navigate the world. In the 1960s companies including AT&T and RCA partnered with NASA and other space agencies to build and place satellites in the Earth’s orbit. Global positioning systems, television networks, radio stations and cell-phone carriers are all dependent on satellites to keep the world connected.

GPS in particular arose as a result of Sputnik, the Soviet satellite that launched in 1957. Changes in radio frequency helped U.S. scientists track where Sputnik was because of the Doppler effect - that is, a shift in the frequency of sound or light waves corresponds to a change in position. This principle led to a Navy navigation system called TRANSIT intended for submarines. GPS for continuous navigation was developed as a Defense Department initiative in the 1970s, leading to the launch of the first GPS satellite in 1978. The system was complete in 1995 (More about this from Time.com).
-ditto- (btw you might want to read about GLONASS here)

Environment: When the Saturn 1B launch stand (used in several Apollo missions) was disassembled, it was stored away in an open field. No one knew until years later that the launch stand was coated with a paint containing polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), a toxic chemical that was seeping into the Earth’s soil. Quinn and her colleagues created the Activated Metal Treatment System (AMTS), a paste-like solvent solution that extracts PCBs from paint without removing the paint itself. The innovative system has been redesigned since then to remove many forms of contamination and pesticides on land.

so they polluted the soil first and then spent money to find a cure to a problem which would not have occurred had they not build the structure or rather disposed it of as per norms instead of dumping it.

Transportation: The parachute shrouds that landed the Vikings on Mars have a fibrous material used in automobile tires. These state-of-the-art tires were originally developed by Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. Now the tires, famously called radial tires, are manufactured in factories around the world. They are five times more durable than steel and have an expected tread life 10,000 miles greater than conventional tires.

You really think auto industry would not have come up with durable tires without having a mars expedition ?

Public safety: Those powerful rocket launchers that propel spacecrafts into deep space are now fighting fires. Rory Groonwald, chief engineer at Orbital Technologies Corporation, partnered with the U.S. Air Force Fire Rescue Research Group to design a similar high-pressured system that suppresses fires in seconds. The technology also reduces water usage because the extreme force creates fines water droplets as opposed to an excessive flow.

that is neat. good.

Memory foam: For anyone who gets a better night’s sleep from a foam mattress, NASA’s to thank. The administration originally developed the polyurethane-silicon plastic to reduce harsh impact when spacecrafts landed. Now the famed foam is used in everything from automobiles and airplanes to helmets and horseback saddles.

really, mats now. what next, more cushiony soles for my bata chappals :|

We also have advanced water filtration systems for astronauts as a result of the space program.

and yet, millions die out of water borne diseases every month around the globe. what good is a technology if it can't be mass produced to help those who really need it instead of giving the already secured people an alternative way to get their water ?

[playstation]

 

 

Live! Militants disguised as cricketers massacre CRPF men

Militants disguised as cricketers attack CRPF men: Update on the militant attack on a CRPF camp in Srinagar. TV reports say that the DIG CRPF says that the terrorists were dressed as sportsmen in track pants and carried weapons in sports kits. Some civilians have also been injured. The toll so far: Five CRPF men dead, seven injured. Two militants killed. The attacks site is now being combed by a forensic team and a search operation is on for other militants who may be in the area. Police sources say two more militants could be holed up.

The disguise helped them gain proximity to the CRPF camp.

 

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2013/mar/13/liveupdates.htm

 

 

 

 

@nemo, I am never good at explaining things to people the way some other guys here do...so i dont blame you if you find it is poorly constructed .As for doubting space exploration and its benefit for human kinds you must be out of your mind to doubt it.....seriously it seems you have just on set of mind about things...You want humans to predict earthquake ...and you think we can do it without even understanding how planets are form and what they are made of...

Everything is connected to one or the another in different ways...by exploring there we learning lot about our earth. Mars is often called twin sister of earth...looking at it today you can see what earth could have been millions of years ago....

[Nemo]

no i am not saying to stop exploring in space, all i am suggesting is one should sort out things in his back yard first before venturing out to set the neighborhood straight.

[ALPHA17]

@Nemo, don't know what you are gunning for, are you ignorant or just want to troll us.

 

Unfortunately cancer is not a disease that can simply be cured by pills.

 

About tires not being developed enough on their own, it happens, jet technology would have dawned in the 1960's -->70's if World War II had not occurred. Frank Whittle (Great Britain) and Hans von Ohain (Germany) had both developed on the technology theoretically but neither state was open to funding an unproven technology right after escaping from a economic crash.

 

MPFI was a military development for aircraft, did you know that?

 

Oh, the interwebz is also a military development.

 

HP laughed in the face of Steve Wozniack when he put forward the personal PC, look who is laughing now.

 

GLONASS is being developed by Russia / CIS states to counterbalance the advent of GPS (and dependency on the same), China is putting up a system called COMPASS and India's equivalent is called the IRNSS. Maybe we are all doing it wrong.

[Ne0]

@nemo, that will never happen, its not like one fine day will arrive when you will have all your problems solved on earth and then you can start exploring space ! It has to go hand in hand .... there are still tons of things unexplored in space .... how long do you think the minerals / fossil fuels will last on our earth - especially with the hyper rate of mass consumerism ongoing currently ? We need alternative sources of energy / minerals etc, something you can hope to find only outside of earth !

[Bird Bird Bird]

@Nimmo:

 

 

Medicine: Before Dan Carter joined NASA in 1985, developing large amounts of protein crystal was a challenge. He and colleagues discovered that space-produced crystal could be used to make the atomic components of albumin(PDF), an essential human protein. They founded a called New Century Pharmaceuticals in 1997. Their findings helped lead to the development of a cancer drug combination approach and skin care products.
'97 and cancer cure still has not reached the level of complete prevention or eradication like small pox or polio, i don't see how space has drastically helped here.

--- Hmmm. 30 years back, we were facing the same problem with TB. Since the past 10 years, we're facing the same problem with HIV. But we've moved on, haven't we ? Some diseases are easier to understand than others, and hence a cure can be found easily. Cancer (and other chronic diseases) are complex ones, with multifaceted causes. Very difficult to understand, even more difficult to treat. And lets not forget all the chronic diseases are having a high spurge in the last 10-15 years or so. It was only when the disease burden increased, causing enough mortality, that companies and scientists found it worthwhile to invest time, money and brains to find a cure for it. Sad fact, but that is life.

And while we're at it, time to brush up your GK. The polio eradication is a farce. At MSF, I've personally seen 2 Polio cases (last year, after India was declared eradicated of Polio) in the ruins of Chhattisgarh. When trying to inform the proper department, they literally shoo-ed us away saying it can not be polio. So much for eradication.

 

Environment: When the Saturn 1B launch stand (used in several Apollo missions) was disassembled, it was stored away in an open field. No one knew until years later that the launch stand was coated with a paint containing polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), a toxic chemical that was seeping into the Earth’s soil. Quinn and her colleagues created the Activated Metal Treatment System (AMTS), a paste-like solvent solution that extracts PCBs from paint without removing the paint itself. The innovative system has been redesigned since then to remove many forms of contamination and pesticides on land.
so they polluted the soil first and then spent money to find a cure to a problem which would not have occurred had they not build the structure or rather disposed it of as per norms instead of dumping it.
-- Doh !! What part of "The innovative system has been redesigned since then to remove many forms of contamination and pesticides on land." can you not understand ? They contaminated it, yes. But they were smart enough to find out the problem and provide a solution for it. And then the same tech proved useful in other contamination areas. So difficult to grasp, eh ?

Transportation: The parachute shrouds that landed the Vikings on Mars have a fibrous material used in automobile tires. These state-of-the-art tires were originally developed by Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. Now the tires, famously called radial tires, are manufactured in factories around the world. They are five times more durable than steel and have an expected tread life 10,000 miles greater than conventional tires.
You really think auto industry would not have come up with durable tires without having a mars expedition ?

--- Can you say for sure that they would have ? Again, we're arguing semantics here. Something which never existed was possible due to space exploration and is now benefiting everybody. +1 for space exp.

Memory foam: For anyone who gets a better night’s sleep from a foam mattress, NASA’s to thank. The administration originally developed the polyurethane-silicon plastic to reduce harsh impact when spacecrafts landed. Now the famed foam is used in everything from automobiles and airplanes to helmets and horseback saddles.
really, mats now. what next, more cushiony soles for my bata chappals :|
--- Lol. The value of a product is not known unless you don't have it. So we take things for granted ! I, for one, give it to NASA for bringing foam mattresses and cushiony soles. We don't really want to lie down on a wooden bed and wear wooden sandals now, do we ?

We also have advanced water filtration systems for astronauts as a result of the space program.
and yet, millions die out of water borne diseases every month around the globe. what good is a technology if it can't be mass produced to help those who really need it instead of giving the already secured people an alternative way to get their water ?

--- And how do you know nothing is being done for the those people ? It's just that it ain't visible in the news (like any other good stuff being done out there). Please see here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/benefits/water_purification.html