Right Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I am rooting for Modi in the next elections. Win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Why do you think everyone is so attached to the concept of growth, without economic growth improvement in living standards is not possible & that includes every aspect of social life, including law & order !! This is vague on so many levels and part of a widespread propaganda for simpletons that economic prosperity can eradicate all the problems in the world. The divide of rich-poor cannot be bridged, ever, but that doesn't mean you cannot make your laws effective or system corruption-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I like to imagine they force you to use IE at Microsoft. Na, they just say "use it if you can". I use it for the intranet stuff. Most of the time (and right now I'm at work) : Chrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 @ udham. why do you feel disgust on the uncle roaming scot free till the fir was filed ? the nature of that statement alone states that law and police have done their job, ie the uncle was not a free jay walker after thr fir. its not police's job to beg to anyone to come and file an official complaint. there is a case for improving police's image but efforts cannot be one sided. people too have to come forward and show faith. as for upsurge in rape and allied cases, india is world's second largest population.. so just by statistical logic, any kind of crime rate would be higher here than all but one country (and in 'that' country media is gagged so no one knows whats cooking) add to that the hufe levels of inequlity and juxtaposition of lufestyles, crime rates are bound to surge. there has been tremendous growth in india but it has eluded a great many. sticking it up to the 'man' becomes the favored way for letting of steam. as for people cribbing over not feeling safe loitering with females, well it (howsoever sad) is not a big revelation now is it ? one can either keep pinning for utopian hopes, giving in to inherent rebelious streak and put oneself at harm; or one can affirmate reality and understand that india is india and their notions of freedom is not one that is supporetd by masses and can thus take precautions for safety. its not right, its not fair but it does keep yoursef or your friend from having a physical trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 @ udham. why do you feel disgust on the uncle roaming scot free till the fir was filed ? the nature of that statement alone states that law and police have done their job, ie the uncle was not a free jay walker after thr fir. There was another case in which a woman accused her father of raping his granddaughter. They belonged to upper-middle class family, she took the courage and went to police to file an FIR and police simply asked her to handle this "within the family" and refused to register the case. So what I see here is inaction, which leads to common disbelief in the legal system even when someone braves the social stigma in the pursuit of justice. When this happens with people belonging to poors, I can just imagine the hardship they have to go through, to register a report, get medical assistance....may be the father tried before and they shooed him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 @ udham. why do you feel disgust on the uncle roaming scot free till the fir was filed ? the nature of that statement alone states that law and police have done their job, ie the uncle was not a free jay walker after thr fir. its not police's job to beg to anyone to come and file an official complaint. there is a case for improving police's image but efforts cannot be one sided. people too have to come forward and show faith. as for upsurge in rape and allied cases, india is world's second largest population.. so just by statistical logic, any kind of crime rate would be higher here than all but one country (and in 'that' country media is gagged so no one knows whats cooking) add to that the hufe levels of inequlity and juxtaposition of lufestyles, crime rates are bound to surge. there has been tremendous growth in india but it has eluded a great many. sticking it up to the 'man' becomes the favored way for letting of steam. as for people cribbing over not feeling safe loitering with females, well it (howsoever sad) is not a big revelation now is it ? one can either keep pinning for utopian hopes, giving in to inherent rebelious streak and put oneself at harm; or one can affirmate reality and understand that india is india and their notions of freedom is not one that is supporetd by masses and can thus take precautions for safety. its not right, its not fair but it does keep yoursef or your friend from having a physical trauma. I totally agree that that's what reality is. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying what you're saying is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sa1nT_SoLd1eR Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 This is vague on so many levels and part of a widespread propaganda for simpletons that economic prosperity can eradicate all the problems in the world. The divide of rich-poor cannot be bridged, ever, but that doesn't mean you cannot make your laws effective or system corruption-free. I wonder why Mr. Amartaya Sen was given the Nobel prize for his work on HDI & the correlation that was drawn in realtion to GDP & per capita income among his other works on this very same topic of growth & it's correlation to development of human Index ( which includes security of life, law & order as one aspect of it), it was probably these very propagandists (I better explain before it is misinterpreted again by your kind self, Clarification - it is a sarcastic statement) Good luck with your new found economic knowledge & your utopian ideas of politics, economics & society on a whole, maybe with a few more years under your belt you might be able to understand things with more clarity & start looking at things practically and more holistically !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 There was another case in which a woman accused her father of raping his granddaughter. They belonged to upper-middle class family, she took the courage and went to police to file an FIR and police simply asked her to handle this "within the family" and refused to register the case. So what I see here is inaction, which leads to common disbelief in the legal system even when someone braves the social stigma in the pursuit of justice. When this happens with people belonging to poors, I can just imagine the hardship they have to go through, to register a report, get medical assistance....may be the father tried before and they shooed him away. One case i know personally about this...there was a big fight in family of somebody i know..and i also went to police station just for support and tried to explain that before the fight gets out of hand please come. The police said its your personal house issue ...you solve it. I was right there and the casual way they said .. it looked like he was waiting for some sh*t to happen before he would lend his ears.... and few days later i know this guy who has very good influence and connections and he had some fight with someone in a night club over passing comment to hi gf and next day he manage to get protection with two police personal for few days.... beside that there have been few other cases also i have heard and seen over the years ....i am not sure if i can ever trust this country's law and order to be give me justice ...if i ever get into that situation and i know what i would need to do..in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 @zodak, read 'Sanjay Dutt did more than just keep a gun for self-protection in 1993' The masterminds of the 1993 bomb blasts in Bombay had a twin agenda. One was to attack the city through a series of explosions, and the other was to arm members of their community well enough to hold their own in communal clashes the blasts were expected to trigger. For this, assault rifles, pistols and hand grenades were brought from Pakistan and several young men were also taken to Pakistan and given arms training, police officers linked to the investigation recalled after this week's Supreme Court verdict in the 20-year-old case. The arms landed at two places in Raigad district and one in Gujarat. The Gujarat consignment was hidden in the cavity of a vehicle and brought to Mumbai by road, driven by Abu Salem, who went on to become a prominent gangster. Salem and his accomplices needed a quiet place to open the welded cavity and remove the arsenal. The office of Magnum Productions, owned by Hanif Kadawala and Sameer Hingora, on Linking Road in Bandra, was chosen. Dawood Ibrahim's brother Anees called Hingora and Kadawala and told them to allow Salem to use their compound. The partners, however, were involved in a dispute with their landlord and did not want to risk catching his attention and suggested using actor Sanjay Dutt's house instead. Dutt was contacted and he agreed. Hingora went with Salem after the latter feared he would not be allowed inside by the guards, and the vehicle was taken to Dutt's garage. "The Mumbai Police had provided some guards for Sunil and Sanjay Dutt in light of the 1992-93 riots, and the garage was in direct line of sight from where they were stationed. Dutt asked them to move over to another gate, after which the cavity in the vehicle was opened and the arsenal extracted," said one officer. "Dutt kept some of it, including three to four hand grenades and the rest was taken away by Salem. Dutt provided the tools for the task as well as duffel bags for loading the weapons," he added. Dutt later called Anees and told him he was not comfortable keeping grenades at home as he felt they were unsafe. Mansoor Ahmed, who worked with Salem, went to Dutt's house and took the grenades away. "While the world thinks there is only an Arms Act case against Dutt, what isn't widely known is that he had been charged for aiding and abetting the entire crime, with evidence to back the charge up," he said. The TADA court, however, acquitted him of the terror charges and this was upheld by the Supreme Court too. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sanjay-dutt-did-more-than-just-keep-a-gun-for-selfprotection-in-1993/1092232/3 Bachgaya sala...lamba jata agar yehi koi aam admi karta toh....asa kamino ko road mein fashi de dena chahiya....my anger is mostly on this that he knew about the all this before and yet did nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Jaya Bachchan to plea for Sanjay Dutt’s mercy to Maharashtra Governor, finds support from MPs NEW DELHI: Ruling and Opposition MPs extended support to actor Sanjay Dutt, who was given a five-year jail term by the Supreme Court in an arms possession case related to the 1993 Bombay blasts. Samajwadi Party MP Jaya Bachchan said she would appeal to Maharashtra governor K Sankarnarayanan to pardon Dutt, whose conviction was upheld by the apex court but sentence reduced from six years to five. Taking into account the jail term served by him, Dutt would still be required to serve three-and-a-half years. "I agree with everyone that he has suffered a lot. I believe that he should not be given such a big punishment. He is a changed man now. I'm going to personally appeal to the governor and ask him to pardon him," the Samajwadi Party MP said. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/jaya-bachchan-to-plea-for-sanjay-dutts-mercy-to-maharashtra-governor-finds-support-from-mps/articleshow/19136696.cms Arey ...why special treatment for him.....I also feel unsafe at time sshould i keep Ak-56 with me ?? will you fight for me too ?? Please stop this..He was not a kid...and on top he had links with people who are India's most wanted...they killed over 250 people in one day....they were all our country men ..hindu muslim ..i dont know but many Indian died that day and this guy is not any less resposnsible . So stop begging for mercy ....Ghandhi ji could have saved Bhagat Singh but mc did nothing...saying he commited crime by exploding bomb (which killed no one) .....and this guy you people want to get away so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 A mother of four children can't be raped, concludes UP cop A woman who has four children cannot be raped. That may sound ridiculous. But that is what the UP police seem to believe. In a rather unseemly episode, a police official in eastern UP’s Deoria district turned a rape victim and her husband away from his office after humiliating them only because the victim happened to be a mother of four children. The assistant SP KC Goswami raised doubts about the woman’s allegations of having being raped by a local goon, asking how a woman in her 40s and having four children could be raped. “Itni puraani aurat se kaun balatkaar karega,” is what the ASP actually said after he was told that the woman had four children, the eldest of whom was 15 years. The woman and her husband had been running from pillar to post over the past two days to get an FIR registered with the police but to no avail. They approached the ASP on Friday expecting justice would be done, but came away humiliated. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_a-mother-of-four-children-can-t-be-raped-concludes-up-cop_1814580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 So stop begging for mercy ....Ghandhi ji could have saved Bhagat Singh but mc did nothing...saying he commited crime by exploding bomb (which killed no one) .....and this guy you people want to get away so easily. only you can suffix a 'ji' to someone and then call him a motherf**ker ! and moreover, all historical documents point that bhagat singh himself wanted to be given death penalty as it would stir up the youth. If he were given a prison sentence, the news would not have been so palpably tense and emotionally moving. It would have been considered as another rebellion quashed. It was one of the very few times that there was a court sanctioned hanging of a captured freedom fighter, usually they were either put behind bars or were killed on the spot, justified by british as collateral damage. Plus the fact that bhagat and his friends were in their early 20s, made for a huge outcry. I am no supporter of Gandhi, his impact on our freedom movement cannot be disregarded but he had many a faults, specially his treatment of ambedkar and patel was shocking. Still, one can't say that bhagat singh would have been pardoned if Gandhi intervened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 DNA freaking DNA is your source ? It is the paper that constantly pimps out IIPM ads and as per their ranking it is among the top 10 Bschools in India and not long ago did totally away with its Op-ed and analysis page. The credibility is for all to judge. This allegation is very serious and highly condemnable if true but I would suggest you to wait and see if some reputed sites (hindu, I-express, ndtv, dainik jagaran) confirm it before shooting in head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 only you can suffix a 'ji' to someone and then call him a motherf**ker ! and moreover, all historical documents point that bhagat singh himself wanted to be given death penalty as it would stir up the youth. If he were given a prison sentence, the news would not have been so palpably tense and emotionally moving. It would have been considered as another rebellion quashed. It was one of the very few times that there was a court sanctioned hanging of a captured freedom fighter, usually they were either put behind bars or were killed on the spot, justified by british as collateral damage. Plus the fact that bhagat and his friends were in their early 20s, made for a huge outcry. I am no supporter of Gandhi, his impact on our freedom movement cannot be disregarded but he had many a faults, specially his treatment of ambedkar and patel was shocking. Still, one can't say that bhagat singh would have been pardoned if Gandhi intervened. The ji thing was not as respect to him...it was way he was addressed mostly and so it stuck with me.. As for Bhagat Singh wanted death...it is true but Ghandhi did nothing to stop it also..Some interference from him could have made a difference.The British negotiated with him on many things and asked his opinion. They knew this guy controlled crowd like anything ....he could have saved them...Not just Bhagat others too SUkhdev ...Rajguru... Arey okay not saved them ...atleast when they died he to make the people of this country realize the sacrifices of these young people.. infact he helped British to squash much of the outcry. And Please dont make Gandhi's a contributer to our freedom..that guy delayed our freedom infact..would have got much before only...British was caught up in world war 1 and 2 ...in both occasions we screwed up..after world war 1 only we were to get our freedom....that chance was lost...and ww2 ...we went on to finance the British will our people were starving ..there was famine in bengal... What did he do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanjosh Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Don't forget he imfamously constantly slept naked with young women because he wanted to 'test himself' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 DNA freaking DNA is your source ? It is the paper that constantly pimps out IIPM ads and as per their ranking it is among the top 10 Bschools in India and not long ago did totally away with its Op-ed and analysis page. The credibility is for all to judge. This allegation is very serious and highly condemnable if true but I would suggest you to wait and see if some reputed sites (hindu, I-express, ndtv, dainik jagaran) confirm it before shooting in head. The hindu Police officer’s shocking comment on rape draws fire Notwithstanding Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav’s intention to change the face of policing in the State, the police personnel have been less than diligent in dealing with women. On Friday, Deoria Assistant Superintendent of Police Keshav Chandra Goswami on Friday made an indecent comment on a woman, who had allegedly been raped in Bankatha, and had approached the police officer. Since the woman is a mother of four, with her eldest child aged 16, the ASP reportedly told a group of journalists in Deoria, “who will rape a mother of four.” His remark, which has been condemned by women organisations, created a flutter in the police circles as well. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/police-officers-shocking-comment-on-rape-draws-fire/article4539013.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 What did he do?? Oh boy you cannot be serious ! Just Just no. I have read enough history both for academic and leisure purpose and while i do not agree with the saint like aura Gandhi has been placed into, dismissing his contribution and importance to a mere 'what did he do' is ignorant at best and ridiculously stupid to the point of begging for lobotomy at the worst. He rallied all our nation's efforts for independence as a solid force, he provided unity, stability and most importantly leader ship. Doesn't matter if the whole leading style is questionable, fact of the matter is, he gave millions of people a face that they could relate to and with. He became the face of our struggle. India back then (and still now to some extant) was a haphazard collection of regional areas with people having different aspirations and rarely coexisting with each other on common grounds. If there was no rallying force to give them focus, it would have been years before brits would have left us, WW2 or not. Gandhi was revered by all, not just in india but outside as well, Martin Luther king jr and mandela owe their freedom movement a lot to gandhi's philosophy. It is very easy for you to sit there and question but till you have proven to have experienced (and given result of) even a tenth of what gandhi managed to do, no one is going to take you seriously. Gandhi could have been benefitted from being at the right place at the right time, but that argument is superfluous at best, by that logic variation in a couple of incidents here and there and there would have been no WW2 and brits would never have been forced to leave india (if going by your logic that WW2 was the ONLY reason we got independence). I have my problems with gandhi, Ambedkar (whom i have great respect and liking to) was never given his due by gandhi, infact he more than once quelled his attempts to contest elections as gandhi feared it would be a threat to his blue eyed boy Nehru; but I know better that to dismiss Gandhi's impact on 1947. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Don't forget he imfamously constantly slept naked with young women because he wanted to 'test himself' Yeah, he was one weird cookie give a read of 'my experiments with truth' a whole new sexually ambivalent side to him comes out. His lifelong remorse that he was banging his wife while unknown to him his father was drawing his last breaths on death bed, couple of rooms away, etc. The hindu thanks, i stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 And Please dont make Gandhi's a contributer to our freedom..that guy delayed our freedom infact..would have got much before only...British was caught up in world war 1 and 2 ...in both occasions we screwed up..after world war 1 only we were to get our freedom....that chance was lost...and ww2 ...we went on to finance the British will our people were starving ..there was famine in bengal... What did he do?? Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Oh boy you cannot be serious ! Just Just no. I have read enough history both for academic and leisure purpose and while i do not agree with the saint like aura Gandhi has been placed into, dismissing his contribution and importance to a mere 'what did he do' is ignorant at best and ridiculously stupid to the point of begging for lobotomy at the worst. He rallied all our nation's efforts for independence as a solid force, he provided unity, stability and most importantly leader ship. Doesn't matter if the whole leading style is questionable, fact of the matter is, he gave millions of people a face that they could relate to and with. He became the face of our struggle. India back then (and still now to some extant) was a haphazard collection of regional areas with people having different aspirations and rarely coexisting with each other on common grounds. If there was no rallying force to give them focus, it would have been years before brits would have left us, WW2 or not. Gandhi was revered by all, not just in india but outside as well, Martin Luther king jr and mandela owe their freedom movement a lot to gandhi's philosophy. It is very easy for you to sit there and question but till you have proven to have experienced (and given result of) even a tenth of what gandhi managed to do, no one is going to take you seriously. Gandhi could have been benefitted from being at the right place at the right time, but that argument is superfluous at best, by that logic variation in a couple of incidents here and there and there would have been no WW2 and brits would never have been forced to leave india (if going by your logic that WW2 was the ONLY reason we got independence). I have my problems with gandhi, Ambedkar (whom i have great respect and liking to) was never given his due by gandhi, intact he more than once quelled his attempts to contest elections as gandhi feared it would be a threat to his blue eyed boy Nehru; but I know better that to dismiss Gandhi's impact on 1947. He Did not let any one else lead..always made others effort look bad........Made all other leaders effort rediciulous ..Chandreshekar azad, Netaji,Bhagat SIngh I can go on.....He was best thing British could have asked for...Coz he was playing right in their hands...At one time they knew India would have to be set free but more the delay the better....and that what Gandhi helped them achieved... He was preaching non violence and all and yet he was right behind British in sending Indian troops to fight for them and die for them...Only thing he was good at was he was crowd puller but he made those crowd into punch bags for British .... Martin Luther king and many other may have looked up to him.....all India gets was oh a great non- violence preacher came from this country but it does not help my country ....I want great leader for my country leading it to glory and prosperity not some preacher of non-violence ...that too for sake of trying to be saint.. You may have read lot of academic history about him but do some reading on other leaders of India also ..."the unsung heroes of this country" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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