dylanjosh Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I have never called you communal He didn't mean himself literally. Just in general. I do not agree though. Attacking family comes across as trying to the divert the topic because you can't defend the accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 just wanted to clarify because the argument was sure stupid as hell defending a post which basically wants to say that he should control his daughter because she wears a bikini, this is beyond logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 true, but still they provide a non lethal but effective option. Batons are useless in such situations. Cops will have to use guns, the non lethal wud atlest allow them to immobilize someone without overtly and hopelessly risking themselves. 100 feet effective range, moving vehicles. Not a good combination. Also, immobilising someone on a moving vehicle is no guarantee of zero fatalities, Tazers will completely cripple the guys it comes in contact to, leading to a motorcycle / vehicle crash, guaranteed death. Rubber bullets are not a cent-per-cent guarantee of non-lethal take-downs. Also, they are ineffective at taking out tyres to immobilise a speeding vehicle. Grappling hook on a moving vehicle, this is not Just Cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hook would be to jam the tyres of a bike. Yes it will lead to crash but so will any other method like shooting actual bullets, only... Like.. U know, not having the added probability of killing the rider by an unintended gunshot. Chasing and stopping bikes in urban areas is neigh impossible w/o having the risk of having them crash themselves. Ideally we (or metropolitan police atlest) should have spiked road strips, choppers (not specifically talking abt disciplining stunt wankers, but any chase in general) to aid but LOL RESOURCES. _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Cong MP's claim: RS seats for 100 cr Congress MP from Haryana, Birender Singh on Monday (July 29) made an explosive claim. Singh said that Rajya Sabha seats can be bought. He also said that those willing to shell out 100 crore can become Rajya Sabha MPs. Meanwhile, the BJP has hit out at Birender Singh's remark saying that it reflects how the Congress party functions. Barely two hours after the controversy, the under attack Haryana MP has backtracked saying he has been misquoted and that he only meant to highlight the increasing number of millionaires in the Rajya Sabha. http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4433151.cms Congress .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hook would be to jam the tyres of a bike. Yes it will lead to crash but so will any other method like shooting actual bullets, only... Like.. U know, not having the added probability of killing the rider. Do you think the grappling hook is going to be more accurate than a bullet? Not safe enough friend, even if it jams up the tyre / wheel the rider and the pillion might still sustain injuries. Apart from spike strips I don't see anything working in such scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersim Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Rapists go free in our country and youngsters doings stunt are shot to death Another feather in our cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 just wanted to clarify because the argument was sure stupid as hell defending a post which basically wants to say that he should control his daughter because she wears a bikini, this is beyond logic Alright. I do not endorse his comments about his daughter or her bikini or her chal-chalan which are simply unwarranted. But it is right to call him out on his retarded ideas about FSB, his unwarranted comments about secularism and just being an a*s in general (like in nalanda case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 That is ok. But certainly the way he was opposed was actually funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 @Nemo: When was the last time you read about Delhi Police opening fire on a drunk neta's son's car? I have seen these brats slapping the police guys outright in front of my eyes when I was in gurgaon but surprisingly no self defense came to fore. You are right that police guys are in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation but a life is too precious to take over stone pelting and rowdy biking. Somehow these guys' guns are always in pockets when crimes are happening. I've had my phone snatched right in front of a policy chowky with the police guys sitting 5 meters away from me and when i told them, they nonchalantly told me to come to the station next day with 50% of the phone's cost price in cash and take it. Somehow they didnt think of even chasing the guy or throwing their lathi. Also, if the rowdy biking was taking place every day, couldn't they just call an APB on the guys and nab them at the next checkpoint or the next day? If the guys were driving so fast that they couldn't chase them in their jeeps, then how were they able to pelt stones? Sorry, but I don't believe everything the police says in this account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yeah, juxtaposing treatment of netas' kith and kin and goons sponsored by them, and actions taken against others is really not helpful in any way. No matter how agitated you or me or anyone gets, that is one specific class that is in practice above all. Just tell me this that if suppose tomorrow you or your loved ones are cornered by such a rowdy gang of bikers and law enforcement in immediate vicinity is not able to control by regular measures and instead there are debris thrown around, would you prefer the cop to camp and consult his superiors regarding actions to be taken further or try to scrutinize the license plate so that he could relay it further in hopes of catching them, Or would you prefer him using force to render the bike/s immobile, defend himself (an act sanctioned by constitution) and bystanders and scare the miscreants away ? You didnt get any help from the chowki regarding your phone and that is unfortunate. But just because right thing (use of available force to deter crime/law and order disorder) is not done in one occasion, it doesnt mean that it is up for questioning when it actually is done. As per oft reports in papers here, these stunt junkies dont have a specific pattern and dont arrive in "The Lost in gta 4" style. Mostly it is a random assortment forming into a snowball. Factor in the traffic, endless road networks, helmet clad faces and maneuverability of bike vis a vis an MUV and one would see chases without targeting wheels in some way is really not feasible. Or we could develop a superbike squad in delhi police and run a fast and the furious scene every other day irl :| _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 ^^ I'd want the cop to take action against them, chase them, beat them, scare them away or whatever. But wouldn't want them to be shot dead. You do realize accepting such on-street extreme justice is a slippery slope. Once you accept this, there is no saying what the cops can do. They can kill another guy who has a beef with the local beat inspector and just say he was creating a ruckus and then threw stones on me or whatever. Edit: BTW, the "one occasion" thing that you refer to is not actually just one. I have had (and my friends and family members have also had) several instances of this with policemen. I'd say that if you had to count, I could probably count "one occasion" or "couple of occasions" where I saw the police guys actually doing their jobs instead of the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolfy among us Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 And it's not one occasion. I had my phone stolen from me near the Forum in Bangalore. I immediately went to the police station, where i was asked to go talk to numerous police officers and narrate my story. Then was asked to wait for almost an hour. Then finally one guy comes and asks me to tell my tale of woe again. Then he says, your phone was stolen on the left side of Forum which is not our jurisdiction. You'll have to go to the Madivala police station. So I go to the Madivala police station the next day. (this one hour of waiting made it 10 pm, and didn't want to go to a police station after that). The same ruckus happens, and they tell me go to same police station where i went yesterday!!!! After all this, I should be naive enough to believe that they will catch the thief who stole my phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolfy among us Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I wanted to know from Keano, Shantz etc. about Telangana. Is it unfair that the people have no say in the separation of states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I dont know if it was a very vocal minority section, but have not there been riots and demonstrations in Andhra and particularly in osmania campus from the pro division side? also the son of late ex cm of andhra (died in chopper crash- cant recall name) has made it a personal mission to make Telangana and has got good public backing (or atlest he has not been rejected by the masses). So I dont think it is an anti public decision. At best is it nearly evenly matched, people in north Andhra would want a separate state while those at coast and south of Hyderabad would obviously oppose it, not the least because the latter would lose Hyderabad. I mean the center cant be that daft to go for such a move right at the doorstep of elections if it were against a majority support. Infact the carving out of state would give them a near perfect backing in elections from the New telengana region, or atlest that is the main idea behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I can't really say anything about the public opinion. Media cannot be trusted on this. Everyone I talk to opposes it but then I also see news in papers about people rioting for it. Many of these demonstrations show old men (like in late 30s/40s) to be protesting/rioting and the captions/news read that they are students. There is also word on the street that some students were paid to burn themselves and assured that their poor families will be well taken care of. In any case, I don't think division of states is any good and it's only done because of political reasons. At this rate, we will back to the old state of every city/district on its own kind of funda. Gorkhaland demand has again started already with some 72 hour bandh being declared. Edit: There is no concern of coastal andhra losing hyd I think. This was always the contention since the beginning that it would probably be made a joint capital and/or a UT like chandigarh. Lose lose situation for both sides of the divided states I think, since most of the industry and software in Andhra is setup within Hyd and they would lose out on a metric ton of capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 And it's not one occasion. I had my phone stolen from me near the Forum in Bangalore. I immediately went to the police station, where i was asked to go talk to numerous police officers and narrate my story. Then was asked to wait for almost an hour. Then finally one guy comes and asks me to tell my tale of woe again. Then he says, your phone was stolen on the left side of Forum which is not our jurisdiction. You'll have to go to the Madivala police station. So I go to the Madivala police station the next day. (this one hour of waiting made it 10 pm, and didn't want to go to a police station after that). The same ruckus happens, and they tell me go to same police station where i went yesterday!!!! After all this, I should be naive enough to believe that they will catch the thief who stole my phone? I got my iPhone pic pocketed last year in del metro. The best outcome I could get was it being traced (imei) to some place in north east and then *poof* gone. What I am saying is phone theft recovery (or lack thereof) shouldnt be the yard stick because of the nature of crime (evasion and anonymity is rather easy) and the obvious technological limitations at thana levels. Still that is no excuse for the cops to not register your complaint and make an FIR, allowing you to contact the mobile service provider. recovery etc is still a shot in the Dark but misuse of a number registered in the victim's name could bring loads of complications. That was a serve neglect on the police's part when they made u run circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I got no clue as to what is happening regarding the T-state, dad was saying yesterday that they are going to announce it any time this week. From what I read in papers in last few years(which is very little) and talking with work colleagues who are born in Telangana region, I understand that the Telangana folks are not happy about how all the development in the state is happening only in the Coastal side of the state. I would like to read unbiased opinion of anyone from T-region, most of the news papers and news channels are biased and support views of one or the other political parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Edit: There is no concern of coastal andhra losing hyd I think. This was always the contention since the beginning that it would probably be made a joint capital and/or a UT like chandigarh. Lose lose situation for both sides of the divided states I think, since most of the industry and software in Andhra is setup within Hyd and they would lose out on a metric ton of capital. I really hope Hyderabad will be the joint capital. Everyone at work and home are saying that Guntoor will be the new capital of Andhra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Yeah, right. Technical limitations when the goon is snatching the phone right in front of them. They need a fully equipped james bond style tracking system to get that guy. And in any case, the phone is just one example. I'd have thought you'd be knowing the state of gurgaon. Theft, looting on knife point was common place. I think there wasn't even a single guy in my workplace who hadn't had either his house burgled or something taken from him on the road at knife point or just snatched on a bike. My wife's landlord (and his entire family) was murdered by a guy (their servant) and the police took 5-6 hours after calling them just to reach the house. And this was during day time. They didn't even setup any checkpoints or send out an APB till a day later to even try to nab the guy. Finally one of the neighbors' help told them his address in Bihar and that he was there now..you'd imaging they'd hop on a train and go nab him. But no sir. They went there a month later (that too after some minister was pulled in) and of course, came back empty handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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