The News Thread

[Nemo]

 

In any case, I don't think division of states is any good and it's only done because of political reasons. At this rate, we will back to the old state of every city/district on its own kind of funda. Gorkhaland demand has again started already with some 72 hour bandh being declared.

 

Edit: There is no concern of coastal andhra losing hyd I think. This was always the contention since the beginning that it would probably be made a joint capital and/or a UT like chandigarh. Lose lose situation for both sides of the divided states I think, since most of the industry and software in Andhra is setup within Hyd and they would lose out on a metric ton of capital.

 

Thanks for a local insight. I guess hydrabad being made a joint capital/UT is how they will go. And UTs all over get monies from, and are administered by, the center govt in Delhi so if it goes by Chandigarh's way I dont think it would have infrastructural problems, provided whatever sarkar forms in Delhi LS '14 is capable.

[The Wolfy among us]

So Hyderabad would go to Telangana? Was it the main reason for the separation?

I mean, joint capital or not, where exactly does Hyderabad lie geographically?

[Nemo]

Yeah, right. Technical limitations when the goon is snatching the phone right in front of them. They need a fully equipped james bond style tracking system to get that guy.

And in any case, the phone is just one example. I'd have thought you'd be knowing the state of gurgaon. Theft, looting on knife point was common place. I think there wasn't even a single guy in my workplace who hadn't had either his house burgled or something taken from him on the road at knife point or just snatched on a bike.

My wife's landlord (and his entire family) was murdered by a guy (their servant) and the police took 5-6 hours after calling them just to reach the house. And this was during day time. They didn't even setup any checkpoints or send out an APB till a day later to even try to nab the guy. Finally one of the neighbors' help told them his address in Bihar and that he was there now..you'd imaging they'd hop on a train and go nab him. But no sir. They went there a month later (that too after some minister was pulled in) and of course, came back empty handed.

 

Again, my question is how all that has to do with the unintended killing due to a very validly reasoned shot of the teenaged boy the other day ?

 

 

See you are thinking of all police as one monotonous unit across India. It is not like that. Actions taken or not taken by a cop in place A cannot and should not be the basis of judging the same in place B. Then there is the quality of local leadership, rut or excellence begins from top, mostly the elected representatives.

 

Delhi police for better or worse is more streamlined and has more discretionary powers and is controlled by MHA so local assembly leaders dont have a pull on cops.

[Nemo]

So Hyderabad would go to Telangana? Was it the main reason for the separation?

I mean, joint capital or not, where exactly does Hyderabad lie geographically?

 

In telangana. But not far from border.

 

[Keano]

So Hyderabad would go to Telangana? Was it the main reason for the separation?

I mean, joint capital or not, where exactly does Hyderabad lie geographically?

 

It is in Telangana region. Hyderabad is one of the main reasons why Telangana guys are fighting for a separate state. Other reasons I can think of are :

 

Few political leaders(KCR of TRS party for example) agenda of getting into power by using the Telangana sentiment.

Andhra guys taking major chunk of jobs available in Hyderabad IT companies, which has been irking the local people.

Separate state would mean dedicated budget for the state, which in turn would go to ruling party politicians.

Politicians promising jobs for students and jobless graduates.

[ALPHA17]

So Hyderabad would go to Telangana? Was it the main reason for the separation?

 

Hyderabad lies in the Telangana region. And most likely would go to them, although UT can also be proposed.

 

Main reasons for separation,

• Telangana is very poorly developed compared to the coastal region(s) of Andhra Pradesh. Because most leaders are from the coast and southern districts.

• To raise the standards of Telangana and to develop the region appropriately.

• Prevent siphoning of resources from Telangana to southern and coastal districts.
• Jobless people + half-decent politician = good mix for agitation.

It is more of an administrative chore and shall add another layer of bureaucracy (unneeded) to the situation. I expect it to be under the best of circumstances something like Bihar, else it will end up like Jharkhand or Chattisgarh.

[Shantz]

Again, my question is how all that has to do with the unintended killing due to a very validly reasoned shot of the teenaged boy the other day ?

 

 

See you are thinking of all police as one monotonous unit across India. It is not like that. Actions taken or not taken by a cop in place A cannot and should not be the basis of judging the same in place B. Then there is the quality of local leadership, rut or excellence begins from top, mostly the elected representatives.

 

Delhi police for better or worse is more streamlined and has more discretionary powers and is controlled by MHA so local assembly leaders dont have a pull on cops.

 

I'm not talking of police being a monstrous unit. I'm just saying that killing a person is not justifiable by saying "my bad" (and then again "but not really, it was the biker's mistake that he did a wheelie at the same time when i fired). Opening gun fire was completely unwarranted. For all your reasoning, that shooting from a moving vehicle to a moving target being difficult, shouldn't the inspector have known that himself as well? That the bullet could kill someone? Did he also think about collateral damage? And this is all assuming that it was indeed a mistake.

And letting it go just sets a precedent for other already bad cops who can now use this ruse to their advantage to settle their beef with anyone.

This was also the reason why i was against the unchallenged lokpal thing. If you are allowed to be wield utmost power without consequences, then I don't think we have any spiderman amongst us (including myself) who would care about responsibility anymore.

[Solitaire]

Caught up on the news/rumors of Andhra's bifurcation going through only today. This is sad... very sad. Country being cut up like a f**king cake as per every politician's whim. Rile up the populace, foment some anger and you can get anything done in India. Spineless leaders.

[ALPHA17]

I'm not talking of police being a monstrous unit. I'm just saying that killing a person is not justifiable by saying "my bad" (and then again "but not really, it was the biker's mistake that he did a wheelie at the same time when i fired).

 

Monstrous <--> Monotonous?

See you are thinking of all police as one monotonous unit across India.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I doubt we have the power to judge anyone's action. It is a split second choice and they did what they could with the tools at their disposal.

 

Sad that a life was lost but if they did not do any of this, the topic would not have come up and things would have carried on.

For all your reasoning, that shooting from a moving vehicle to a moving target being difficult, shouldn't the inspector have known that himself as well? That the bullet could kill someone? Did he also think about collateral damage? And this is all assuming that it was indeed a mistake.

 

Doesn't it already happen in the form of pre-mediated 'encounters'?

And letting it go just sets a precedent for other already bad cops who can now use this ruse to their advantage to settle their beef with anyone.

[Shantz]

Moreover, this is just the beginning of a long stream of issues. Already I hear talks about disputes over water distribution of rivers etc. Since most of the rivers would be in one part but need to use the water in the other part.

[Right]

every one knows the formation has reasons political and not development.

This one agenda of NDA I never liked.

 

CG formation took away power plants and resources from MP

JK CM ate away all the budget

UK so called development went totally unchecked and brought the disaster

 

It's quite possible that TG will meet the same fate, and emotions are just way too high for that.

[Shantz]

 

 

Monstrous <--> Monotonous?

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I doubt we have the power to judge anyone's action. It is a split second choice and they did what they could with the tools at their disposal.

 

Sad that a life was lost but if they did not do any of this, the topic would not have come up and things would have carried on.

 

Doesn't it already happen in the form of pre-mediated 'encounters'?

 

so yeah, lets all condone it and make it legal for someone to do the "encounters" without questions.

I am so amused at your choice of words "they did what they could with the tools at their disposal". The police have the "tools" available with them all the time. So, next time I break a signal and make a run for it, the patrol cop who just happens to be on the scene should just shoot me. After all that's the best he could do.

[ALPHA17]

Moreover, this is just the beginning of a long stream of issues. Already I hear talks about disputes over water distribution of rivers etc. Since most of the rivers would be in one part but need to use the water in the other part.

 

True, when I was in Hyderabad (late YSR was the CM) we used to get this in the news almost constantly. Rivers are in northern districts (ostensibly Telangana region) but water was being diverted to the Southern and Coastal districts.

I am so amused at your choice of words "they did what they could with the tools at their disposal". The police have the "tools" available with them all the time. So, next time I break a signal and make a run for it, the patrol cop who just happens to be on the scene should just shoot me. After all that's the best he could do.

 

For all good or bad, the PCR vans have guns. Our police does not have spike strips, nor high-speed chase vehicles (or trained drivers), no helicopters either (nor the budget for them) so yes that was the 'tool' they had. Which they felt was the best thing they could use.

 

Thankfully jumping signals is so common that nobody gives a damn and well if you get shot in the process, this is what the state will bring out and there can be another long drawn debate on it with nothing concrete coming out.

 

Why do people get so charged up, when a situation is built.

 

As I had already mentioned earlier, it might have been a situation of; Wrong time, wrong place.

so yeah, lets all condone it and make it legal for someone to do the "encounters" without questions.

 

Did I say that? Did I mention it?

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Interesting Development in context of the middle east.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/28/israel-approves-release-palestinian-prisoners

[Nemo]

Whats the process and temporal progress of a new state's formation ? Suppose Delhi gives its consent for telangana today (which it most likely Will, going by prominent, credible media outlets) then how much time would it take for actual division and formation to happen? I am guessing surely before 2014 elections so that upa can score massive points with telangana electorate, but that then effectively puts a rest to the idea of upa bringing elections forward.

[avkash]

Shantz - my point was and is that there is no way that a police man can control his bullet when he is on a moving PCR and the bikers are riding fast

 

he has two options now, keep chasing and lose them, call up the posts ahead. Calling up the posts ahead has been done and specific checkpoints have been set, of course the bikers know about it and find ways to avoid them. Just like we know where they check helmets and seat belts and avoid them

 

if not fired upon, those guys would have gone free and would have come back next night. Like they have been doing. Not acceptable.

 

I maintain, it is sad that the guy died, but he was the one to be blamed. If they would have just sped past like old days then nobody would have fired.They chose to retaliate and throw stones, the police fired. Sad that he died, but that does not mean that the police is to be blamed.

 

PS: I have lost a phone too, stolen in the local in Mumbai, same horror story as everybody else at the police station. However I maintain, that since some crooked morons did not do their duty, others should not be questioned because they do theirs. At least somebody is doing their job.

[The Wolfy among us]

In any case

 

If police asks you to stop

You have to

 

If you start running away from them & despite of numerous warnings to stop or be shot at

Then obviously you are not a regular guy & ready to face to consciences

 

 

Police can't be blamed in such consequences

But miss using policing powers is a totally different debate & can be applied to many other situations

 

What happened to you?

[ALPHA17]

What happened to you?

 

The power of auto-correct.

[Shantz]

ban gaya lo telanagana :|

Hyd UT for 5 years

[younussm]

No UT status for hyderabad .its gonna be capital for telangana

 

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