The News Thread

[ALPHA17]

Hyd UT for 5 years

 

Any source, because I cannot find one. =|

[Shantz]

Saw it in the news on tv.. 10 years, btw not 5.

Edit: Sorry some confusion. Joint capital for 10 years and UT is news guys claiming that they have heard congress guys saying it has been decided.

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

Telanaga given.

Hyderabad dual capital for 10 years.

[godspeed4476]

Dual capital

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Took a long time coming, but finally Telangana is a reality, hope it puts an end to the rampant exploitation of the land locked region and ushers in a much needed phase of development in that area, which till now was being exploited and almost all the resources of the 'resource rich region' were being siphoned off for developing the coastal Andhra region, it was a legitimate gripe that the people of that region fostered for generations, which had led to many a violent instances in the past. Scheduled tribes have already been shunned/silenced by various measures of the government and it's an eery silence of the graves that exists in that region with most of the business community individuals holding hectares of resource rich land, which originally belonged to the native tribals, but it's too late to do anything in that regard, for there is no justice for the poor in this country. It would be a crying shame if it becomes another Jharkhand story.

 

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/upa-meet-endorses-telangana/article4970069.ece

[Pushy]

wtf is tat sh*t?

[Nemo]

wtf is tat sh*t?

 

That be some dope shiet yo ! They be slicin' n dicin' dem Andhra peeps' state into two rad cribs dwag.

 

/ghetto.

 

 

Whoa.

[Shantz]

I just hope it turns out good.

[Right]

I'm happy that Hyderabad will be more peaceful than ever.

10 sal ki 10 sal bad sochenge.

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

Dual capital

 

Hahahha...I'm merely quoting the news.

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

Took a long time coming, but finally Telangana is a reality, hope it puts an end to the rampant exploitation of the land locked region and ushers in a much needed phase of development in that area, which till now was being exploited and almost all the resources of the 'resource rich region' were being siphoned off for developing the coastal Andhra region, it was a legitimate gripe that the people of that region fostered for generations, which had led to many a violent instances in the past. Scheduled tribes have already been shunned/silenced by various measures of the government and it's an eery silence of the graves that exists in that region with most of the business community individuals holding hectares of resource rich land, which originally belonged to the native tribals, but it's too late to do anything in that regard, for there is no justice for the poor in this country. It would be a crying shame if it becomes another Jharkhand story.

 

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/upa-meet-endorses-telangana/article4970069.ece

 

Mate, have you for any stretch of time resided in Hyderabad or AP? or are you merely reciting off your new found knowledge from newspaper clippings and online articles?

 

There was never any exploitation as you put it. Most of the city of Hyderabad, and the regions it shares borders with, has been developed and invested in by the so-called 'Andhra' people. All the IT companies that took birth here owe it to these investments and the development measures taken by the government which predominantly consists of those very Andhra people. It was a barren land before Hi-tech city stands where it is today, an initiative by then CM Babu. I am in no way attesting the notion that no mistakes were made or that problems didn't exist. I take my stand stating that the said problems/mistakes won't be rectified or solved by this division, they would only become rampant and further aggravated.

 

A separation only serves its purpose prima facie. It separates. No resolution of issues will take place that wasn't able to take place until now. Things aren't going to get better. They are only going to be more broken than ever, all the while helping babus achieve their coveted places in polity that were the reason this whole thing was spurred into motion. If the potential for development is so imminent, why can't you take charge now? You don't need to be the CM to start anything, now do you? The people and the land didn't change! You are now as free to do anything that you would wish to be doing after a separate state is born.

 

Development of coastal andhra? Hogwash! The sheer absurdity of the statement makes me laugh...what development? The coastal regions are far more richer in resources than Hyderabad could ever be.Their proximity to the sea ensures the same.The perennial water scarcity in the metro is just one testament to this. The coastal regions developed in their own right. Don't be blind-sided by hearsay. Nothing is being Siphoned off. It's just people making good fortunes with clever investments. Is India siphoning off the resource-rich USA because many NRIs made a good living in the states?

 

The feeling of woe that came upon the people/residents is akin to what you might experience if someone seizes your house after you spent 20yrs building it, citing the reason that it was built on ancient property that belonged to tribals/natives/govt. at some point.

 

Even if you don't concur with what I have to say, be cognizant of the fact that this was all political tomdickery. A shoddily orchestrated bureaucratic stunt that struck gold.

All those who supported the 'Telangana' movement in any form or shape are now in the race to be its new CM. Wait a few years and you'll see those very people, who advocated unity to the telangana brethren, at each others' necks hurling abuses and appropriating and apportioning blame.

 

Everybody wants a piece of this pie. Many a News channel that campaigned against the division started being proponents in the same movement once it caught steam. Same goes for the print media.

 

Apply discretion.

[Nemo]

Irrespective of the total ignorance of economic and political realities in the analogy, this really. reallllly made me GLOL !

 

 

 

[Nemo]

 

 

 

A separation only serves its purpose prima facie. It separates. No resolution of issues will take place that wasn't able to take place until now. Things aren't going to get better. They are only going to be more broken than ever, all the while helping babus achieve their coveted places in polity that were the reason this whole thing was spurred into motion. If the potential for development is so imminent, why can't you take charge now? You don't need to be the CM to start anything, now do you? The people and the land didn't change! You are now as free to do anything that you would wish to be doing after a separate state is born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now i have never been to AP, or any place in south of northern MP, but division of a state does give the newly formed region better access to funds and discretion to use them. Now it is up to them (leaders of new state) as to how to go about it. You can have an uttarakhand (recent floods notwithstanding- that was a bad case of neglect of env-ecology and poor anticipatory skills) with its fast growing economy or you could have a jharkhand which, even though for pound4pound is the most blessed state in terms of minerals, is stumbling into one pit fall after another.

 

 

When ever a state gets funds from centre, it is up to the cm, chief secy, principle secy industries, principle secy development to decide how and where to allocate them. It has often been seen that the powers that be prefer to invest more in the already developed (not saturated though) regions due to fast gains and pressure/lobbying from business class. So yeah, the telangana people might have something worthwhile to reason here. Of course, there has to be some rational behind it all, like you cannot and should not start breaking every other state. Telengana is a very old movement iirc. And after all said and done, public opinion matters the most, even though the majority may seem collectively wrong.

 

 

As for costal development and resources, well costs everywhere almost never have any kind of traditional resources (that is the whole geographic characteristic), their only claim (which is admittedly very significant) is that they give sea link. now this is a game changer if the country on whole has a small cost line or the interiors are largely inhabitable (like china) but in a country like ours with a big peninsula and tropical location coasts cant really be held in such reverence where they are seen to be doing an disproportionate favor to the areas inwards.

 

 

 

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[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

 

Mate, have you for any stretch of time resided in Hyderabad or AP? or are you merely reciting off your new found knowledge from newspaper clippings and online articles?

 

There was never any exploitation as you put it. Most of the city of Hyderabad, and the regions it shares borders with, has been developed and invested in by the so-called 'Andhra' people. All the IT companies that took birth here owe it to these investments and the development measures taken by the government which predominantly consists of those very Andhra people. It was a barren land before Hi-tech city stands where it is today, an initiative by then CM Babu. I am in no way attesting the notion that no mistakes were made or that problems didn't exist. I take my stand stating that the said problems/mistakes won't be rectified or solved by this division, they would only become rampant and further aggravated.

 

A separation only serves its purpose prima facie. It separates. No resolution of issues will take place that wasn't able to take place until now. Things aren't going to get better. They are only going to be more broken than ever, all the while helping babus achieve their coveted places in polity that were the reason this whole thing was spurred into motion. If the potential for development is so imminent, why can't you take charge now? You don't need to be the CM to start anything, now do you? The people and the land didn't change! You are now as free to do anything that you would wish to be doing after a separate state is born.

 

Development of coastal andhra? Hogwash! The sheer absurdity of the statement makes me laugh...what development? The coastal regions are far more richer in resources than Hyderabad could ever be.Their proximity to the sea ensures the same.The perennial water scarcity in the metro is just one testament to this. The coastal regions developed in their own right. Don't be blind-sided by hearsay. Nothing is being Siphoned off. It's just people making good fortunes with clever investments. Is India siphoning off the resource-rich USA because many NRIs made a good living in the states?

 

The feeling of woe that came upon the people/residents is akin to what you might experience if someone seizes your house after you spent 20yrs building it, citing the reason that it was built on ancient property that belonged to tribals/natives/govt. at some point.

 

Even if you don't concur with what I have to say, be cognizant of the fact that this was all political tomdickery. A shoddily orchestrated bureaucratic stunt that struck gold.

All those who supported the 'Telangana' movement in any form or shape are now in the race to be its new CM. Wait a few years and you'll see those very people, who advocated unity to the telangana brethren, at each others' necks hurling abuses and appropriating and apportioning blame.

 

Everybody wants a piece of this pie. Many a News channel that campaigned against the division started being proponents in the same movement once it caught steam. Same goes for the print media.

 

Apply discretion.

 

 

1 - Yes i have stayed in Hyderabad for a brief stretch of time.

 

2- it's to say, as if all the architectural works in Hyderabad were also constructed of bones & flesh of 'Andhra' people. Telangana region is rich in Limestone, Fire Clay, Kaolin, Quartz, Marble, Granite, graphite, Felspar, Manganese, Chromite. The coastal Andhra region & Rayalseema region mostly has Fire clay, Mica, Quartz, Limestone, Barytes, Asbestos deposits, these have been continously mined and a major portion was always galloped by the coastal Andhra region because most of the staunch leaders of the state have always owed allegiance to the coastal Andhra region and hence the development imbalance that was subsequently perpetuated. The same people who were seen protesting the separation yesterday.

 

3 - Before discreditng every new state formation, please do have a closer look at the progress made by contemporary Punjab, Haryana, Himachal after separation, three states that were carved out of erstwhile pepsu state, same kind of apprehensions were raised during those time (see Anandpur resolution of Akali Dali), initial spate of problems will always be there, but regional aspirations cannot be suppressed nor can they be discarded in a federal setup, every region has it's own place in a federal structure and it should be our endeavour to accomodate those aspirations, rather they need to be integrated with the state objectives on the whole. Yes, discretion needs to be there so as not to create 'n' number of state, but when the ground realities are as they are in Telangana (size, population, emotional connect with the issue etc.), turning a blind eye to the whole issue would be akin to shooting oneself in the foot.

 

4- Anti maoists forces such as greyhound & c-60 in the border areas of Andhra & Maharashtra were constituted to wipe out any effort on the part of tribals to join forces with Maoists which were joining ranks in numbers after their lands were taken up by force and distributed among the capitalists dogs. They eliminated most of the maoist insurgency but a lot of innocent tribals fighting for their rights also died during that god forsaken period.

 

5- Coastal Andhra has some of the major sea ports of India, and hence it was always a prosperous part of the state, but recent industrialisation in that part of the state are a result of huge mining in the telangana region.

 

6- Noone is denying that this is a political gimmick by the congress, but to trivialize the issue by just terming it a political gimmick is unwarranted and highly prejudiced/biased.

 

7- Everyone wants the piece of the pie, and it should be equally & justly distributed, so called 'Andhra' people claiming that they built Hyderabad by themselves, is another example of the kind of tension that exists in that region, i have stayed there, and i have seen it with my own eyes, the amount of hate and animosity that was existing between people owing allegiance to either region, reminded me of the same that existed between Haryanvis & Punjabis during the 80's & early 90's and still exists over the issue of Chandigarh.

 

Lastly, please 'DO' observe discretion when replying, i know people who belong to the region will see it differently, you might not agree with what i have to say but that does not give you the right to talk in a condescending tone, if you have facts to support your argument, i will be more than willing to carry this further, but if it is just a flame war you are intersted in, then i am afraid I don't have the time for a stupid e-peen contest.

[Somebody]

7- Everyone wants the piece of the pie, and it should be equally & justly distributed, so called 'Andhra' people claiming that they built Hyderabad by themselves, is another example of the kind of tension that exists in that region, i have stayed there, and i have seen it with my own eyes, the amount of hate and animosity that was existing between people owing allegiance to either region, reminded me of the same that existed between Haryanvis & Punjabis during the 80's & early 90's.

Maybe we just met completely different sets of people or something, but in the 22 years that I lived in India, I've never seen a Telangana issue brought up between any of my friends or relatives or acquaintances. I've never seen someone passionately argue about the exploitation that's going on, or the animosity that they have towards a particular region.

 

But all in all, YMMV, coz maybe I just didn't really meet any people who were really affected by having a single state.

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

 

 

Now i have never been to AP, or any place in south of northern MP, but division of a state does give the newly formed region better access to funds and discretion to use them. Now it is up to them (leaders of new state) as to how to go about it. You can have an uttarakhand (recent floods notwithstanding- that was a bad case of neglect of env-ecology and poor anticipatory skills) with its fast growing economy or you could have a jharkhand which, even though for pound4pound is the most blessed state in terms of minerals, is stumbling into one pit fall after another.

 

When ever a state gets funds from centre, it is up to the cm, chief secy, principle secy industries, principle secy development to decide how and where to allocate them. It has often been seen that the powers that be prefer to invest more in the already developed (not saturated though) regions due to fast gains and pressure/lobbying from business class. So yeah, the telangana people might have something worthwhile to reason here. Of course, there has to be some rational behind it all, like you cannot and should not start breaking every other state. Telengana is a very old movement iirc. And after all said and done, public opinion matters the most, even though the majority may seem collectively wrong.

 

As for costal development and resources, well costs everywhere almost never have any kind of traditional resources (that is the whole geographic characteristic), their only claim (which is admittedly very significant) is that they give sea link. now this is a game changer if the country on whole has a small cost line or the interiors are largely inhabitable (like china) but in a country like ours with a big peninsula and tropical location coasts cant really be held in such reverence where they are seen to be doing an disproportionate favor to the areas inwards.

 

 

 

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My statement pertains to the division in the present context. When two peoples with fundamentally different ideologies live side-by-side it's a recipe for disaster to entertain any one faction's whims alone.

 

Telangana is quite old as movements go and it is so for a reason. The 'powers that be' saw little merit in granting what was demanded. As for the uttarakhand/jharkand (or chattisgarh ftm) argument, neither of them incited this level of violence or anarchy in the course of their formation, if memory serves me well. And for what? It's a barefaced sham for political gains. I agree people have a right to opine and demand. However, how could one demand something valuable (Hyderabad) one had little part in making? Most, if not all, investments here were made by the andhra people. This is the question the average andhrite raises? Of course, this is looking at it in a 'sum of parts' perspective as nobody's contributions can be discredited. But it's contextually apt, in so far as it serves the present purpose.

 

The coasts in AP are rich enough to self-sustain. Coastal cities, as a given, always provide unparalleled strategic,military and trade advantages among many others compared to their counterparts .AP's own port city, Vizag is a prime example of this, with its natural harbour (Dolphin's nose) that facilitates its position as a naval HQ and a trade hub. Coastal areas in general offer marine transportation of goods, offshore energy drilling, resource extraction, fish cultivation, recreation, and tourism which are integral to a nation's economy. In the case of Vizag, the coast is largely responsible for it to be one of the fastest-growing cities in the world. Even major cosmopolies across the world are often appraised by the coast (or the lack of it). I'm not saying a coastline is the be-all and end-all but it's a big draw nonetheless. The 'siphoning off' part was what I had a bone to pick with.

 

At the risk of repetition I say it's an orchestrated stunt, a poor one at that, that struck gold.

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

 

 

1 - Yes i have stayed in Hyderabad for a brief stretch of time.

 

2- It is amusing to see the ignorance, it's as if the architectural works in Hyderabad are also made of bones, flesh & blood. Telangana region is rich in Limestone, Fire Clay, Kaolin, Quartz, Marble, Granite, graphite, Felspar, Manganese, Chromite. The coastal Andhra region & Rayalseema region mostly has Fire clay,Mica, Quartz, Limestone, Barytes, Asbestos deposits, these have been continously mined and a major portion was always galloped by the coastal Andhra region because most of the staunch leaders of the state have always owed allegiance to the coastal Andhra region and hence the development imbalance that was subsequently perpetuated. The same people who were seen protesting the separation yesterday.

 

3 - Before discreditng every new state formation, please do have a look at look at contemporary Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, three states that were carved out of erstwhile pepsu state, the same apprehensions were raised during those time (see Anandpur resolution of Akali Dali), but today all states are better off, initial spate of problems will always be there, but regional aspirations cannot be suppressed nor can they be discarded in a federal setup, every region has it's own place in a federal structure and it should be our endeavour to accomodate those aspirations, rather they need to be integrated with the state objectives on the whole.

 

4- Anti maoists forces such as greyhound & c-60 in the border areas of Andhra & Maharashtra were constituted to wipe out any effort on the part of tribals to join forces with Maoists which were joining ranks in numbers after their lands were taken up by force and distributed among the capitalists dogs. They eliminated most of the maoist insurgency but a lot of innocent tribals fighting for their rights also died during that god forsaken period.

 

5- Coastal Andhra has some of the major sea ports of India, and hence it was always a prosperous part of the state, but recent industrialisation in that part of the state are a result of huge mining in the telangana region.

 

6- Noone is denying that this is a political gimmick by the congress, but to trivialize the issue by just terming it a political gimmick is unwarranted and highly prejudiced/biased.

 

7- Everyone wants the piece of the pie, and it should be equally & justly distributed, so called 'Andhra' people claiming that they built Hyderabad by themselves, is another example of the kind of tension that exists in that region, i have stayed there, and i have seen it with my own eyes, the amount of hate and animosity that was existing between people owing allegiance to either region, reminded me of the same that existed between Haryanvis & Punjabis during the 80's & early 90's.

 

 

1 . Brief stretches of time don't cut it to make a passionate argument for/against a region you hardly know about.

 

2. Nobody 'galloped' away with anything mate. On whose/what authority do you have those claims you put forth. Can you cite a source? The coasts have good mineral reserves on their own. Check up.

 

3. It cannot be compared with the said states quoting their post-separation status as the sole indicator of things to come. Andhra people are cool with the division too, provided Hyd. stays with Andhra. The reason being quite apparent that it's the IT hub of the state and the most developed. The 'staunch' leaders you mention are elected by the people at the end of the day, a conspicuous fact that cannot be neglected/forgotten. If you are unhappy, vote for telangana politicians..surely there was no dearth of them. People chose the lesser of the devils. The so called telangana babus were no good. They were worse and now they take the reigns.

 

Nobody's discrediting every new state's formation. That it warrants prudence while contemplating such matters is the essence of my post. A prudence that's been lacking in the case at hand.

 

4. You only need to take a gander at any number of news articles in the past few years to come at an estimate of the kind of havoc maoists have wrecked over time. Countless number of security personnel's lives were lost in the ensuing skirmishes. They are no different from terrorists who claim lives for one 'cause' or another. There were innocent lives lost because of 'capitalist dogs' but how does the separation deal with the same? Those 'dogs' would remain at large no matter how many new states are born. Invalid.

 

5. Absurd. what industrialisation? Be specific. Don't throw around claims with little evidence to back them. All the coastal regions were developed in their own right. Refer to my last post to know about Vizag. Hell, Vizag Steel is one of the biggest steel plants in the world with over $3 Billion turnover, founded in 1971. If anything it provides steel and contributes to the economy. Same goes for many of the coastal districts - Vijayawada - Commercial capital of AP | Guntur - a major centre of business & learning. It is the heart of the textiles, tobacco, chillies, and cotton industries | Rajahmundry, - the Agricultural Capital of AP....

 

6. Wait. So it is a political gimmick but wrong to term it so?? Wake up mate, it's well-known here that it's all shenanigans for power. You only need to come down here to know that. Ground reality, mate. Ground reality.

 

7. So? your point? you merely stated that you were a first hand witness (dubious, given you only have been here for a short stretch by ur own admission - but I'll take it at face value) to the animosity. What did you make of the said resentment? Do you know the reason..or were you too busy remembering the last time you had witnessed such things? Hyderabad is built mostly by Andhra folks in its present form. It isn't a debatable claim but a fact. You'd have known it if you cared to research or ask any resident guy worth one's salt.

 

'Armchair Philosopher' is an easy hat to wear mate. Ground realities are what matter. I'd practically grown up in all these regions. I lived in all of these cities and towns at one time or the other. That's not saying I know everything and anything. I don't. That said, one can't help but have a fair grip on matters at home compared to a spectator - one with no stakes. Most of my friends in Hyd. are from Telangana. They know what a sham this is.

[Somebody]

 

Hyderabad is built mostly by Andhra folks in its present form. It isn't a debatable claim but a fact. You'd have known it if you cared to research or ask any resident guy worth one's salt.

 

Most of my friends in Hyd. are from Telangana. They know what a sham this is.

Haha... Yeah. This becomes much more clearer during Sankranthi time. The whole city is empty coz everybody goes back to their towns in Andhra for the festival.

 

Same here. All my friends never mentioned anything like "Yeah, we need a separate state coz of this" or that. We just joke about each other about how all our Andhra friends should be kicked back to Andhra and all

[LaZyVigiLaNtE]

Haha... Yeah. This becomes much more clearer during Sankranthi time. The whole city is empty coz everybody goes back to their towns in Andhra for the festival.

 

Same here. All my friends never mentioned anything like "Yeah, we need a separate state coz of this" or that. We just joke about each other about how all our Andhra friends should be kicked back to Andhra and all

 

Haaa...Excellent point. How I missed it.

 

I know... a friend of mine (who happens to be from telangana) keeps saying a single state is better as he'd have to pay for 'roaming' in his present number to talk to all his andhra friends if there's a separation..Hehe...We regularly joke about this stuff too. Everybody knows the ulterior motives behind these things. It's just a few delusional peeps who cause great pain and trouble to the majority.

[Keano]

I'm happy that Hyderabad will be more peaceful than ever.

10 sal ki 10 sal bad sochenge.

 

agree with this !

 

@Vigilante : amazing posts mate, repped.