The News Thread

[Nemo]

Wow Nemo.

/golf clap

 

 

 

sarcasm ?

 

hey man, i understand that a large section of people have dis comfort in seeing such relations, i get that totally, such reaction are not abnormal. It is basic human psyche. I am not the one to vilify them, even though i dont agree with their opinions. It is just that they should accept that they have some bias and intolerance bordering on discrimination, and maybe work on removing that notion, if they so desire. If not then just live and let live..

 

that is all.

[Right]

That para was written in the first person perspective. Those words can be anyone's, not necessarily putin's.

 

My suggestion was enacting something legally, doesn't automatically make the society accept automatically, especially these things. Was reading an article about Soudi arabia's women, they are like still in medieval times, making laws does nothing if mindsets aren't changed.

 

That said, I am not anti-gay, but yes, I have reservation about parades.

[Nemo]

That para was written in the first person perspective. Those words can be anyone's, not necessarily putin's.

 

 

 

 

ok, my bad then. It was kind of confusing. Apologies.

[Right]

Btw Nemo, if you are interested I will PM you something about the gays.

You may change your mind a bit....not that you will become anti-gay, but you will understand one of the reasons why some people feel different about them.

[dante77]

eh?

[Right]

What?

[Right]

Nandan ninekani may contest LS.

 

/facepalm

Isko to jis ke pas aadhar card hai, woh bhi vote nahi denge.

[godspeed4476]

Nandan ninekani may contest LS.

 

/facepalm

Isko to jis ke pas aadhar card hai, woh bhi vote nahi denge.

[Nemo]

PUCL protests Jethmalani’s ‘sickening’ argument

 

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/pucl-protests-jethmalanis-sickening-argument/article5139709.ece

 

 

Human rights and women’s groups on Tuesday condemned the argument made by Ram Jethmalani, godman Asaram Bapu’s lawyer, in the Rajasthan High Court on Monday.

Mr. Jethmalani, who sought bail for his client, told the court that the girl, who accused the godman of sexual assault, was afflicted with a chronic disease which “draws a woman to a man.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. Jethmalani had also raised questions about the complainant’s mental condition and age, and contended that the girl, who is yet to be proved a minor, was suffering from a “psychological disorder” which made her want to meet men alone. He demanded a police probe into this aspect of the case.

 

 

 

 

As experienced and respected lawyer as Mr. Jethmalani is, these statements of his are pretty slanderous. I know a lawyer has to do anything to prove his client's point.. but still. Quite lame. First trying to paint a malicious picture of the girl by using her alleged shady background, and then playing a neurologist by pulling random mental disorders out of nowhere. Remember no tests of any kind wrt the mental state of the girl have been done. Secondly as per the law, stating the sexual history of the victim in a rape and assault case is not permitted.

[achilles]

Yeah. It's like Damini. The more ridiculous you think fiction is, the further reality really pulls away in a f**ked up way.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-am-still-opposed-to-Sonia-becoming-PM-Sushma-Swaraj-says/articleshow/22770784.cms

 

I see this as a desperate move to stay relevant in national politics following Monster Modi's rise on the national scene, pertinent to mention that it was the same maneuver that gave a major impetus to Sushma Swaraj's political career back in 2004. Also in recent context, many Indians were seen crying on the racial slur against the anointment of an Indian American as Miss America, and yet the same racial bias goes on unabated in the upper echelons of Indian polity, what else can be expected from the society at large.

 

Hypocrisy anyone ?

[Nemo]

Ex Army chief Vk Singh is now being targeted for a various wrong doings that he (allegedly) performed or authorized during his tenure. From setting up a special unit to carry out snoops like phone tappings of MoD officials, to financial irregularities, to aims of toppling the J&K govt.

 

MoD is saying that Army is asking them to probe further, while Army is tight lipped and saying that matter is closed as per them.

 

What ever the case may be, the timing of all this info tumbling out is very very suspicious. Mere days after ex Gen VK singh shared stage with Modi, one cant help but draw connections. Man.. the government is stooping really low here, lame and shame. Lets hope the investigation is unbiased. I am not saying that the gen is innocent, nor am i saying that he is guilty. But if he is being targeted and falsely vilified due to political reasons (which looks the most likely scenario) then it is a shameful move.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Well i find a lot of weight in the reports that came out during that Anna Hazaare drama about a likely army coup !! Also no one questioned his intentions when he decided to raise the bribe issue & the tatra issue, noone asked why now from V K singh?, and it is no coincidence that as soon as he left the post he was seen sharing dias with Anna Hazaare and his company, including the 'till death' Arvind Kejriwal' fast.

 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Coup-report-was-stupid-Army-Chief/Article1-835780.aspx

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17508808

 

I have since maintained that there was a well detailed plan on the behest of the RSS to subvert the Indian constitution to gain political mileage, and the funding was done via NGO's by corporate India, and the irony being that it was planned to be carried out using the system itself, be it the post of CAG, Army chief, Civil society, Constitutional provisions (freedom of speech) etc, they tried every trick in the book to achieve that during the alleged anti corruption mobilization, to use the gullible, emotional public of India, majority of whom are in a certain vulnerable immature age group. immature in the sense not having enough political exposure in the Indian context. (18 - 23 years of age).

 

it wasn't a coincidence that right after parting ways from Arvind kejriwal, anna hazaare was caught exiting from the house of a known businessman of Delhi who has publicly known established links with RSS, Ramdev was also present in that car (was caught by media as well)

 

http://news.oneindia.in/2012/09/21/did-the-rss-facilitate-hazare-kejriwal-split-1073528.html

 

The moot point in all of it is, that in politics perception matters a lot, and anyone having followed the Indian political scene for the past 2-3 years closely can easily decipher that it is a cat & mouse game going on between RSS & Congress even before the Anna Hazaare episode, and fortunately we had Pranab Mukherjee at that time who played a major role in averting a constitutional crisis, also the reason why he was supported across party lines during the presidential elections, even from certain right wing faction (Shiv Sena), who did not agree with RSS plan and even attacked Anna Hazaare since Day1.

 

Hell i even remember Kiran Bedi on camera advising Arvind Kejriwal to stick with BJP, after they started to protest in front of BJP offices in the second Anna Hazaare fast, wherein RSS after having failed to achieve it's objectives decided to cut it's losses and it was quite apparent by the dwindling media coverage and mass public support resulting from the fact that RSS pulled out it's resources soon after realizing that the situation is not politically suitable anymore.

 

Point being that politics is not a transparent over the table game, and it should not be judged by a set of transparent rules as well, there are numerous undercurrents under a seemingly calm surface, and since General V K Singh decided to tread the path of where even the angles don't walk freely, I just see it as another bout of political jugglery, but sadly it erodes the stature of one of the most respected branch of Indian state.

 

Before the above is dismissed as a conspiracy theory, do give this a good read http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-at-the-first-meeting-shanti-bhushan-said-something-about-how-we-are-here-writing-the-constitution-afresh-/805656/4 which was published months before the August 15, 2011 fast of Mr. Anna Hazaare, Congress was leaderless (Sonia gandhi mysterious illness) at that time and these early indications of an impending political maneuver which was easy to decipher even by a political novice, this was not handled well by Manmohan Singh & he failed in putting his house in order, it was all downhill from there for Congress, as a result right wing forces got the opportunity to raise their head again. This is why a good person with good political acumen is a MUST at the helm.

[Nemo]

tbh i am really not aware of incidents circa Anna Hazare's ascent. Had my mind and body occupied elsewhere during those 2 years.

 

But as for Kiran Bedi, well personally i feel she displays a lot of hypocrisy at times. I have heard her often go on a rant about how bureaucrats should not be promoted on the basis of time of service, and must be subjected to some tests. Yet, if one reads her official biography, there is a full chapter where the story about her voluntary retirement is mentioned. She displays disappointment about her not being made the Delhi chief even though she was the senior most ips cop in the UT cadre, and then there are paras upon paras on that. While she is right in her assessment, it doesnt sit well when you juxtapose her disdain for promotions based on seniority, that she displays now a days.

 

 

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[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

^ Couldn't agree more, i have the same feelings whenever i listen to her speak, i still remember how she lost her cool during the Anna Hazaare movement imitating Kapil Sibal, irony being she was spewing dirt on the whole of parliament at the same time, not expected from someone who has held the posts she had, Lalu Prasad Yadav gave her a befitting reply on the floor of the house, and the look on her face afterwards was priceless.

 

Also in other news, a prime example of what i was trying to say in my post about the deceiving nature of politics and the game as a whole and how it's played by big players.

 

Sushma Swaraj tried to rake up Sonia Gandhi's foreign national issue to stop her dwindling relevance at national level. Latest news coming in is that modi just rebuffed her for saying that precise thing, while people will accredit this stand of Modi for having a liberal approach, but in political terms the real intended target is to contain Sushma Swaraj, the lone remaining threat within the party to his rise. 2 hits with one strike.

 

The same goes with this V K Singh episode, there is a lot of political undercurrents for this report having surfaced in this fashion and at this time, there is a lot of history behind all of the facade that media tries to cook up in order to help the intended political factions.

[Nemo]

Could you please give a link for the Lalu-Bedi segment ? really like to read that.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

it wasn't a segment, lalu made a speech and sent some strong political messages with regard to kejriwal, Anna Hazaare & Kiran Bedi, he even takes on RSS-BJP for it's role in all this drama

 

if you listen clearly Sharad pawar is sitting right next to him and he even mentions when that political message is relayed in unequivocal terms to Kiran Bedi, and right after the parliament session was over and the resolution was passed, everyone from the Anna hazaare team singled out lalu's speech and attacked him including Mr Anna Hazaare as well,

 

He even mentions the undercurrent and how Pranab was literally begging Sushma Swaraj, jaitley & Advani to engage with RSS and to withdraw from this movement at 6:00 as according to him this had gone beyond RSS's control as well and corporates routing via NGO's was the main driver now (he makes quite a few references to that aspect of the movement in his speech). Another reason why Arvind kejriwal turned on BJP afterwards, and started targeting BJP leaders as well. Also a reason (among many other) why RSS cadres today do not find resonance with these leaders, for they allegedly back stabbed them during that time, this is where the real disenchantment from these BJP leaders (particularly Sushma Swaraj & Jaitley) of the RSS cadres started, and why today Modi has superseded all of them.

 

For the public supporting these lunatics they were seeing the resolution as a victory but Kejriwal & party knew that they had lost the first round of battle, they counted on dividing the house and to corrode it. but good sense prevailed with top BJP leadership and backed the parliament, seeing that this will have adverse effects for them as well if this goes on unabated for a few more days, the faces of Kejriwal & party once the resolution reached them as shown on news channel told the whole story. They never in their wildest dreams believed that they will fail in dividing the already fractured house. Even then in the IAC thread of this forum itself, i had appreciated the good sense that was displayed by opposition leaders in controlling that situation.

 

He has made some very subtle references in his speech and need to be deciphered very minutely, for example at 13:00 he makes a reference to kalidas and his story of cutting the branch on which he is sitting, he is particularly looking & pointing towards BJP benches at this time for a reason, and many more such political insinuations in course of the whole speech.

 

For me it is one of the best political speeches ever.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShHZP_7Hh0

[Shantz]

So, basically RSS is the illuminati?

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

More like cancer in remission, that raises it's ugly head after every decade or so, 1992, 2002, 2013 .....

[playstation]

Cant believe they let national secrets out to get to VK SIngh and the time of this accusation also shows only for politcial interest they will stoop this low....people like these running the country...I wish VK singh did topple the government and put a bullet or two in their heads and bring the dynasty down....