The News Thread

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Awesome Editorial after a long time !! http://epaper.tribuneindia.com/179740/The-Tribune/TT_01_November_2013#page/13/2

[playstation]

Japan's PM Shinzo Abe warns China on use of force

WASHINGTON: Japan is ready to counter China if it resorts to force in the pursuit of its geopolitical interests, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in an interview published today.

"I've realized that Japan is expected to exert leadership not just on the economic front, but also in the field of security in the Asia-Pacific," Abe told the Wall Street Journal, speaking after a series of summits this month with regional leaders.

He said Japan had become too inward-looking over the past 15 years, but as it regains economic strength "we'd like to contribute more to making the world a better place."

The Journal said he made clear one way Japan would "contribute" would be countering China in Asia.

"There are concerns that China is attempting to change the status quo by force, rather than by rule of law. But if China opts to take that path, then it won't be able to emerge peacefully," Abe said.

"So it shouldn't take that path, and many nations expect Japan to strongly express that view. And they hope that as a result, China will take responsible action in the international community."

For more than a year, relations between Beijing and Tokyo have been chilled by a territorial dispute in the East China Sea where China claims a small, uninhabited archipelago administered by Japan under the name of Senkaku. Beijing calls it Diaoyu.

One of Abe's first decisions as prime minister has been to increase Japan's defense budget for the first time in 11 years.

Tokyo also plans to hold a large air and sea exercise in November to strengthen the island's defenses, and as a display of might intended for the Chinese.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-10-27/news/43432765_1_east-china-sea-diaoyu-prime-minister-shinzo-abe

 

I wish My country's PM was half the man this guy is.....

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://www.aninews.in/videogallery4/17168-people-who-lost-their-lives-in-patna-blast-should-be-given-honour-of-a-martyr-bjp.html

 

Awesome !! so those who get killed in terrorists activites should be given the status of martyrs from now on, what an insult to those who have laid down their lives for a righteous cause !!

[playstation]

China accuses Japan of ‘dangerous provocation’ at sea

 

BEIJING - Beijing’s military accused Tokyo of a “highly dangerous provocation” by interfering in Chinese live-fire drills in the Pacific last week, warning that Japanese lives could be at stake, state media reported Friday.

Japanese ships and aircraft tailed Chinese navy vessels conducting the exercise in the western Pacific ocean, the defence ministry said, according to reports.

“The actions of the Japanese ships and planes not only interfered with our normal exercises but also endangered the safe navigation of Chinese ships and planes, and might lead to misjudgment and accidental injuries,” the state-run China Daily quoted defence ministry spokesman Yang Yujun as saying.

Yang made the comments at the defence ministry’s monthly press briefing, which foreign media are barred from attending.

According to China’s state-run Global Times, the People’s Liberation Army Navy was conducting drills in the western Pacific last Friday when a Japanese warship “broke into the drill zone” and remained in the area for three days.

An unspecified number of Japanese aircraft also entered the area several times, tailing and monitoring the Chinese vessels, the report said.

The ministry had lodged a “solemn representation” over the action, it added.

China gave advance warning through the International Maritime Organisation on Oct. 23 of its plans to conduct the drills, the Global Times said.

The furious Chinese response - and implicit threat - marks a further deterioration in the already fraught China-Japan relationship, which has soured in recent years as the two Asian giants exchange tough rhetoric over disputed islands in the East China Sea and Japanese leaders’ visits to a controversial Tokyo war shrine.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/international/02-Nov-2013/china-accuses-japan-of-dangerous-provocation-at-sea

 

 

 

 

 

A small Island nation with mostly aged population has more guts than the 7th largest country and more than 1 billion in population..to the people of Japan..

[Solitaire]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/world/asia/india-mars-orbiter/

 

 

London (CNN) -- India is aiming to join an elite group of space explorers when it launches a mission to Mars.

The country's space research organization (ISRO) is due to fire an orbiter to the Red Planet on Tuesday -- only NASA, the former Soviet Union and the Europeans have previously been successful in operating probes from Mars.

Japan made an attempt with the Nozomi orbiter in 1998 but it failed to reach the planet and a Chinese probe was lost along with theRussian Phobos-Grunt mission in January 2012. The UK's Beagle 2 probe separated from the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter in 2003 but nothing was ever heard from the lander.

It will take 10 months for India's Mars Orbiter Mission to reach the Red Planet after lifting off from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre near Chennai. The probe will explore the planet's surface features, minerals and atmosphere.

But ISRO chairman K Radhakrishnan told CNN that one of the biggest technological challenges was just getting there. Many missions have failed to reach the planet while others have crashed on the surface or contact has been lost before the probes could send back data.ISRO is hoping to discover more about the loss of water from Mars, map the sources of methane gas, as well as collecting data about the two moons Phobos and Deimos.

India's space program launched its first Earth satellite in 1975 and put an unmanned probe into orbit around the Moon in 2008. It plans to launch its own manned spaceflight in 2016, though an Indian cosmonaut, Rakesh Sharma, flew aboard a Soviet space mission in 1984.

 

 

Mangalyaan, launching Tuesday! Hopefully everything goes well.

[The Wolfy among us]

To be honest, I don't understand the need for India to have a Mars mission now. Hope I am wrong, but I just don't see the need.

It's like buying a lifetime membership in a gymkhana, when your house's roof is leaking.

[ALPHA17]

It's like buying a lifetime membership in a gymkhana, when your house's roof is leaking.

 

Why so?

[The Wolfy among us]

Well I dunno. As I said I may be wrong, but we have so many people under the poverty line, world's biggest slum in Mumbai, and with the Rupee dilly dallying against the dollar,

is it wise to invest millions in space research now?

The investment in our military services and police force is also paltry. Every now and then we hear that the servicemen just have outdated equipment. So why not invest more here?

Why not invest in improving our hygiene, and our education system. Why go in search of stuff on another planet which may or may not be there.

 

Ok so we find traces of water on Mars. So what next? Just the satisfaction of finding something which of no use to the kid dying of typhoid in a slum in mumbai?

[Bird Bird Bird]

Well I dunno. As I said I may be wrong, but we have so many people under the poverty line, world's biggest slum in Mumbai, and with the Rupee dilly dallying against the dollar,

is it wise to invest millions in space research now?

The investment in our military services and police force is also paltry. Every now and then we hear that the servicemen just have outdated equipment. So why not invest more here?

Why not invest in improving our hygiene, and our education system. Why go in search of stuff on another planet which may or may not be there.

 

Ok so we find traces of water on Mars. So what next? Just the satisfaction of finding something which of no use to the kid dying of typhoid in a slum in mumbai?

Lulz. You believe any single country/government can eradicate poverty ? You believe the US has eradicated poverty ? Currency fluctuations, military investment etc. is ruled by politics and politicians. Why, whenever something progressive happens, the talk inadvertently comes down to "ZOMG ! Take care of poverty first !"

Nobody is saying that education/hygiene etc. aint important. But in a country like ours, where even the freaking electricity in a city depends on whether the citizens voted for the elected MP/MLA (welcome to UP), THIS IS PROGRESSIVE. I'm f**king proud that we even have the balls to attempt something like this.

[Nemo]

To be honest, I don't understand the need for India to have a Mars mission now. Hope I am wrong, but I just don't see the need.

It's like buying a lifetime membership in a gymkhana, when your house's roof is leaking.

 

Totally agree with wolfy here. The leaking roof juxtaposed with gymkhana analogy is perfect.

 

I know it is a controversial topic, but it is very debatable. Look around people, even in usa (champion of space and beyond) the need for allowing nasa's limit less pockets is frequently questioned, more so post the economic crisis.

 

 

Exploration is fine, needed even, but there has to be a reality check and restrain, one cant or shouldn't go all out swinging. Last manned moon landing was in '72 after much fanfare preceded the '69 landing of armstrong and co. There is a reason why the buzz (aldrin lol pj) died down with in 3 years. Not much of returns to show vis a vis the costs and particularly when stuff back home needs more attention.

 

 

Doesnt mean that we (and human race in general) shouldn't aspire space exploration, but.. "Chaddar se bahar pair na faylein" iska idea rakhna chahiye.

 

 

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[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Orbiter successfully placed in earth's orbital http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-mars-orbiter-mission-launch-a-success-put-into-earths-orbit/432363-62-129.html

 

Great step forward for Indian scientists, & for India's space program-me in general. I hope they successfully enter Mars orbit as well, as that is the most difficult phase of the whole mission. As far as pros & cons goes, everything has a flip side to it, so people can keep on debating on that & have different opinions depending on their own sensibilities. I for one feel this was worth taking the risk. Indian scientists have done a marvelous job so far with the the monetary & time constraints they were up against. 15 months is a very short time span + if they had missed the launch window this time around they would have been forced to wait for upto 4 years to get another shot at this. So well planned & even more efficiently executed, kudos to the Indian scientists.

[Shantz]

I believe such missions are in fact good ultimately. Much more than a garibi hatao scheme or something which will see 1000s of crores of rupees spent with 95% going into pockets of politicians. Just look at the cost to achieve this.

From the exploration programs, it is not just the gain from the exploration itself, but the science levels of the country increase. The know-how and tech develloped can be reused in defense, commercial and public sector as well.

[ALPHA17]

I believe such missions are in fact good ultimately. Much more than a garibi hatao scheme or something which will see 1000s of crores of rupees spent with 95% going into pockets of politicians. Just look at the cost to achieve this.

 

From the exploration programs, it is not just the gain from the exploration itself, but the science levels of the country increase. The know-how and tech develloped can be reused in defense, commercial and public sector as well.

 

Thank you for shining the light Shantanu Sire.

Totally agree with wolfy here. The leaking roof juxtaposed with gymkhana analogy is perfect.

 

I know it is a controversial topic, but it is very debatable. Look around people, even in usa (champion of space and beyond) the need for allowing nasa's limit less pockets is frequently questioned, more so post the economic crisis.

 

 

Exploration is fine, needed even, but there has to be a reality check and restrain, one cant or shouldn't go all out swinging. Last manned moon landing was in '72 after much fanfare preceded the '69 landing of armstrong and co. There is a reason why the buzz (aldrin lol pj) died down with in 3 years. Not much of returns to show vis a vis the costs and particularly when stuff back home needs more attention.

 

 

Doesnt mean that we (and human race in general) shouldn't aspire space exploration, but.. "Chaddar se bahar pair na faylein" iska idea rakhna chahiye.

 

Nemo I remember that me, Daktaar-saab and you had a tiff on this same topic months ago.

 

The moon race quietened down after the American's landed men on the moon because it was a pure competitive space-race against the Soviets, which the latter gracefully accepted as being relegated to the second place.

 

Also, immediately after this the Soviets were the first to launch a Space Station into the Earth's orbit (Salyut programme) whose legacy endures in the International Space Station.

 

These missions allow us to leverage this knowledge to launch other nations / organisations payloads which generates revenue.

 

Almost all our major ICBM's delivery systems are based on the rockets that ISRO has developed for its own purposes.

 

To further this, our future is in the stars, the rate at which humanity eats up resources and reproduces we will need to colonise planets / moons and it will be a dreary task (Gravity ain't happening) which needs vital crunch work to be done now rather than later.

[Shantz]

^^ alpha put it much better than me.

[Right]

I think Mars mission is an important achieveement...not many nations have done this. And I wish that we should be able to spend even more on such ingenious projects than chutiyapayi like FSB and all those retarded social schemes or on improvong outdated russian vessels and reactors.

 

And cost of this project is less than what is being annually spent on useless "Ghandi"s.

 

Edit: and that Sardar patel statue, 2300 crores, THAT is a real waste of taxpayers money.

 

@SS will reply to ur pm when I get hold of a PC

[dante77]

Reminds me to ask why do we even do that now? Don't we already have enough statues around? Besides its not someone new who did something revolutionary recently. With all respect, I don't want any more statues.

 

 

@Udham - 2300? Whoa! that a lot. You sure this is the amount?

[Shantz]

Instead of wasting that Rs2300 cr for a statue in his name

Invest that money in a multifacility hospitals for poor with less fee around the state

 

 

Name all the hospitals in his name so ppl remember who he was

Now, don't give them ideas. They will build the statue AND waste another f**kton of money to rename existing hospitals

[playstation]

To be honest, I don't understand the need for India to have a Mars mission now. Hope I am wrong, but I just don't see the need.

It's like buying a lifetime membership in a gymkhana, when your house's roof is leaking.

 

 

Well I dunno. As I said I may be wrong, but we have so many people under the poverty line, world's biggest slum in Mumbai, and with the Rupee dilly dallying against the dollar,

is it wise to invest millions in space research now?

The investment in our military services and police force is also paltry. Every now and then we hear that the servicemen just have outdated equipment. So why not invest more here?

Why not invest in improving our hygiene, and our education system. Why go in search of stuff on another planet which may or may not be there.

 

Ok so we find traces of water on Mars. So what next? Just the satisfaction of finding something which of no use to the kid dying of typhoid in a slum in mumbai?

The Space exploration is most important thing for human right now...Earth population is going to touch 10 billion by 2050....projected future also says that medical enhancements will increase the average life span of human too..climate change is so drastically changing now that lot of worse things are actually overdue ....Natural resources is depleting at alarming rate...CIA report sometime back talked about future wars could be over water etc...

Dinosaurs were wiped out by asteroids...with proper understanding of space how sure are we that one is not headed to earth and that if we can create a chance to protect our selve.

 

 

Just a simple High tide ...low tide in the sea actually depends on behaivour of our moon..and that understanding has today led us to warn our fisherman or inform when to go out to sea to do their job....so much of our important thing around is actually not even in our control ...answer is out there.

 

And let me inform you this INDIA's ISRO also helped give NAVY its own satellite to eye Indian ocean and monitor the chinese....they also helped develop remote sensing satellite .

 

I am so proud today of our achievement....ki kya bole.. i would love to see much much higher budget for ISRO in next budget.

 

Today usa is asking for more collaboration with India in space research.....aur in 1970's mein sala harami log that sanctioned our space programme ...lot of our projects were hit by this move.

 

Sala agar nasa jaisa budget hota hamara....toh aaj kaha hota hum log....ayega ek din ISRO will lead the world in space research...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: and that Sardar patel statue, 2300 crores, THAT is a real waste of taxpayers money.

 

 

Udham, Sardar Patel was the man who picked the pieces of this country and joined them and made it INDIA...if for not him ...yeh desh ka koi wajood hi nahi hota..itna pieces kar ke chala gaya sala angrez madarchod log...i know you pretty much know it but just saying what credit has this man got in this country...every f**king thing is Nehru-Gandhi...maka chod log desh ko barbad ka diya phir bhi sab cheez unke naam mein...100 mein se 80% programme unke naam mein..100 mein 80% institutions unke naam mein.......kaha hai Bhagat singh...NEtaji...Pate etc ..do chaar bacha log ka park ....yehi hai mostly ....aur kya ...sala nehru gandhi family asa behave karta hai ki ...desh pe aisan kar diya yeha paida hoke...bc....nanga kar ke nikalo sala log....

 

Beside it is quite misunderstood here...the expense of somuch money is not on just the statue there are other things being develop too

 

a hotel, a convention centre, an amusement park, research centres and institutes will also be constructed.

 

 

Instead of wasting that Rs2300 cr for a statue in his name

Invest that money in a multifacility hospitals for poor with less fee around the state

 

 

Name all the hospitals in his name so ppl remember who he was

 

Modi is just trying to play a part in berating the Neheru family legacy by making ppl know that Patel was a more deserving & capable icon

 

Not that he's wrong as lot of chapters in history prove the same

But wasting all this money for something like this is useless indeed

+1. Even though ofcourse politics is envolved and Modi is sure playing his game...but at the end i do see one of the greatest Indian and deserving Indian getting his credit one way or the other.

f**k Nehru-Gandhi...

[The Wolfy among us]

 

 

The Space exploration is most important thing for human right now...Earth population is going to touch 10 billion by 2050....projected future also says that medical enhancements will increase the average life span of human too..climate change is so drastically changing now that lot of worse things are actually overdue ....Natural resources is depleting at alarming rate...CIA report sometime back talked about future wars could be over water etc...

Dinosaurs were wiped out by asteroids...with proper understanding of space how sure are we that one is not headed to earth and that if we can create a chance to protect our selve.

 

 

Just a simple High tide ...low tide in the sea actually depends on behaivour of our moon..and that understanding has today led us to warn our fisherman or inform when to go out to sea to do their job....so much of our important thing around is actually not even in our control ...answer is out there.

 

And let me inform you this INDIA's ISRO also helped give NAVY its own satellite to eye Indian ocean and monitor the chinese....they also helped develop remote sensing satellite .

 

I am so proud today of our achievement....ki kya bole.. i would love to see much much higher budget for ISRO in next budget.

 

Today usa is asking for more collaboration with India in space research.....aur in 1970's mein sala harami log that sanctioned our space programme ...lot of our projects were hit by this move.

 

Sala agar nasa jaisa budget hota hamara....toh aaj kaha hota hum log....ayega ek din ISRO will lead the world in space research...

 

 

 

 

You've not understood my point. I am also for satellites, international space station etc. All your points also conclude the same. Get some satellites up there to detect asteroids, for communication etc.

But this is a mission to mars. After a year, we will start receiving feedback about the conditions on mars. But my question is why now?

Maybe as Shantz said learning of this mission can be used for defence etc. That is a good point. But as such, the mars mission was not required now.

[playstation]

 

 

You've not understood my point. I am also for satellites, international space station etc. All your points also conclude the same. Get some satellites up there to detect asteroids, for communication etc.

But this is a mission to mars. After a year, we will start receiving feedback about the conditions on mars. But my question is why now?

Maybe as Shantz said learning of this mission can be used for defence etc. That is a good point. But as such, the mars mission was not required now.

Because there are plans to move human settlement to Mars and this is feasibility study . Mars is known as twin sister of Earth....atmosphere at one time was expected to be as active as earth...volcanos...water etc...where its gone?? what happen?? .