Elessar Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I read in an artcile that she was paying as low as $3 to a nanny ...which is way beloew average pay there...these things are not right but having said that this is no way to just treat a diplomat . India needs to start treating american diplomats like that too . Yes, of course that is the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 She was provided accommodation।, food and health insurance, which covers everything she needs to spend on. You should read the timeline of this case on rediff. I dont see Devyani at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hold you horse...nothing abusive or anything is being said but our army...it is just that there needs to a serious attitude change their...those chinese have now started arresting Indians...there steps everyday getting bolder and bolder....and our army needs to be bit aggressive now. Yes, yes, who was talking about flag meet training, that was some random guy right. For all right or wrong, the military of India is under the President and has the restraint and pride not to go against the norms set or point fingers. She was provided accommodation।, food and health insurance, which covers everything she needs to spend on. You should read the timeline of this case on rediff. I dont see Devyani at fault. Doesn't change the fact that the diplomat was flouting rules. Blatantly at that, if I may be so bold she might as well have indulged in labour trafficking. Most workers in Western nations are entitled to a minimum stipulated pay over and above insurance benefits. And lots of sweat-shops are busted, even their owners get caught and detained irrespective of their societal status. Yes, there could have been a more 'diplomatic' stance but they are taking a stance now which is backed up by proof of prior maltreatment of domestic labour by Indian officials / representatives abroad, The 39-year-old senior Indian diplomat, Khobragade, was arrested in New York for alleged visa fraud and exploiting her babysitter cum housekeeper. The 1999-batch Indian Foreign Service officer was taken into custody, while she was dropping off her daughter to school. The police handcuffed her in public, but was later released on a $250,000 bond after pleading not guilty. However, this is not the first time that Indian diplomats in US were found on the wrong-side of the law with regards to the treatment of their domestic help. In June 2011, India's then Consul General in New York Prabhu Dayal was sued by his former housekeeper, who accused him of intimidating her into a year of forced labour. Later again in February 2012, Indian maid Shanti Gurung won a case against Neena Malhotra, a Press and Culture Counselor at the New York Consulate from 2006-2009. Source: IB Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sa1nT_SoLd1eR Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Tit for Tat is not the answer, one has to exhaust all diplomatic options before resorting to any extreme measures in the interest of the nation, Leaders cutting across party lines have refused to meet the US delegation including speaker Meira Kumar, Modi, Rahul Gandhi etc. further all US diplomats have been asked to turn in their ID's, it's not like a hostage situation where you can put a gun on one of the US diplomat & then ask for release from the other side in return. As far as China's latest discretion in the Leh sector goes, China is against India building up it's repertoire & infra projects in Ladakh & they are playing the carrot & stick game to which Indian army & our government has responded adequately well, but it is unfortunate as to how these tidbits are being flashed across political propaganda channels to arouse the nationalist sentiment in order to provide fodder for right wingers, such an irresponsible politically motivated reportage puts unnecessary complications in an already volatile, dangerous tight rope walk that the country as a whole has been treading for the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 As far as China's latest discretion in the Leh sector goes, China is against India building up it's repertoire & infra projects in Ladakh & they are playing the carrot & stick game to which Indian army & our government has responded adequately well, but it is unfortunate as to how these tidbits are being flashed across political propaganda channels to arouse the nationalist sentiment in order to provide fodder for right wingers, such an irresponsible politically motivated reportage puts unnecessary complications in an already volatile, dangerous tight rope walk that the country as a whole has been treading for the last couple of years. I am lot more concerned about China's overtures, the optimistic part of me says it is just the new leadership settling in pangs but the pragmatic me sees it as them testing our ability to respond. Either way I would prefer something more effective to be done. What it is I dunno, how it is, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Alpha. You should definitely read the timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Alpha. You should definitely read the timeline. Please link it over. Either way, the mess she has gotten into is indefensible, literally, indefensible. Seriously there was no need of a babysitter if she could not afford one (according to her defence) but then how has she managed to raise the $250,000 for the bail bond? And all of this when she is a diplomat, visa fraud, seriously. I mean did she not know this or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sa1nT_SoLd1eR Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The carrot & stick strategy is not for Leh-Ladakh or Arunachal it is for Tibet India hasn't still officially clearly defined it's Tibetan policy & Dalai Lama is still enjoying amnesty in India, further He still holds quite a pull on the psyche of Tibetans, China's main concern is Tibet, they have been nudging & poking India considering current corporate push for right to centrist party (Nationalism/Patriotism features strongly during such a push), Pakistan also tried to exploit this with beheading & other heinous attack, but after Obama snubbed Sharif a few months back, Indo-Pak border has been peaceful by & large, but with China it is a different matter altogether, considering it's equation with US. Ladakh is a very small price they are willing to pay for the larger goal & that is a clear stand on Tibet vis-avis India for it's own strategic, economic interests, they were pushing for a boundary agreement last year precisely for this reason indirectly pushing India for an official agreement on Tibet, Arunachal is being clubbed as part of Tibet for the same very purpose a maneuvering diplomatic space. They want to exploit this window of opportunity to close the deal or atleast get work done from their diplomatic side of the worksheet so that Tibet issue can be settled once & for all, truth is internal political dynamics shape a country's policy much more significantly than any external factors, this is also precisely why Tibet is a huge problem area for them. India on the other hand cannot afford nor does it want to give away it's diplomatic space vis-a-vis Tibet issue officially + strategic reason involving Russia & Pakistan, so IMO it's not sizing up India rather it's more of an intimidation stance/arm twisting for China's own strategic interests both short & long term(that is if a war has to be waged) at a later stage. The 9 agreements were a great diplomatic progress from India's side on it's own worksheet vis-a-vis China, despite agreements China still haven't gotten what they really want. Once this window runs it's course strategic re-calibration is definitely in order, cos you can twist an arm only to an extent without causing irreparable damage, this is why these sporadic incidents reach a high pitch and then settle down only to return a few months later !! http://www.opendemocracy.net/openindia/ambuj-thakur/tibet-and-its-neighbours-china%E2%80%99s-stakes-and-india%E2%80%99s-concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Please link it over. Either way, the mess she has gotten into is indefensible, literally, indefensible. Seriously there was no need of a babysitter if she could not afford one (according to her defence) but then how has she managed to raise the $250,000 for the bail bond? And all of this when she is a diplomat, visa fraud, seriously. I mean did she not know this or what? Timeline http://www.rediff.com/news/report/diplomats-arrest-trouble-was-brewing-since-june/20131217.htm Reason http://www.rediff.com/news/column/column-tps-sreenivasan-nanny-terror-in-new-york/20131216.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^ Whatever it is, the situation is pretty much screwed, the domestic helps family is being held under custody in India. For what purpose save arm-twisting? I have already stated that the US could have looked at a more amicable resolution but the diplomat is in their country and their laws apply, she has been found guilty on VISA issues which is a serious offence. Also, the defence article that you have provided is written by Ambassador T P Sreenivasan and he states, It is immaterial whether she was guilty of violating laws *Palm meets face repeatedly*, whether she was entitled to diplomatic immunity or whether India-US relations are at a low ebb. As long as she was not guilty of a criminal act and not a threat to law and order *VISA and paying below minimum wages*, there was no justification for the high-handed behavior of the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York Dude this passage is so much fail compressed together. Don't even know how to react. If things were so clear cut (contracts with clearly stated terms), I doubt this situation would have arisen but it has which casts a pall over how Mrs. Devyani Khobragade is now trying to put up her defence. How could she pay a bond of $250,000 for bail when her monthly pay is $4000 (according to her defence). Indian courts have no jurisdictional powers to impose in the US so that angle cannot be even looked into with a straight face unless the US decides to extradite Mrs. Richards to India. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Dude. I dunno why are you trying to avoid facts of the case. Ms Devyani had already aprised officials of the situation. I think Suneeta was clearly 'coached' to take advantage of the situation and minimum wage thing was just an excuse to get employment out of her arrangement with Ms Devyani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And isnt it obvious that Indian mission would have filed the bail for her? And i just dont understand US obsession with strip searching the people, kalam, fernandes and SRK have been stripsearched. And for what? But Suneeta truly deserves Oscar for her grand performance. She single handedly killed the diplomatic relations between US and India. Fun time ahead when US deports her back to India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And isnt it obvious that Indian mission would have filed the bail for her? And i just dont understand US obsession with strip searching the people, kalam, fernandes and SRK have been stripsearched. And for what? But Suneeta truly deserves Oscar for her grand performance. She single handedly killed the diplomatic relations between US and India. Fun time ahead when US deports her back to India. Dude. I dunno why are you trying to avoid facts of the case. Ms Devyani had already aprised officials of the situation. I think Suneeta was clearly 'coached' to take advantage of the situation and minimum wage thing was just an excuse to get employment out of her arrangement with Ms Devyani. Seriously. This clichéd. And even if this was a way to get off the hook, what good did it do? Her family is in police custody back here and an arrest warrant has been issued in-case she decides to return. Even if Mrs. Devyani (she is married) appraised the necessary authorities about the contract, I don't see how the police could have arrested her. Also, you seriously believe the bunk about the salary being $4000 only and she being able to furnish $250,000 for the bail-bond. Banks do not give any credit to criminals and if this was done through the Indian Embassy, serious misuse of 'tax-payer's monies'. The case has to play out in the US first before anything of import happens in India and currently everything is stacked against Mrs. Devyani Khobragade. If you want to concoct a conspiracy theory at-least have some sense to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Secondly all special barricading & security provided to US embassies & delegates have been removed Bad. & their custom clearance/tax scrutiny/free entry in & out of airports & other such places have been revoked Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Cliche? Oh yessir. Its the third time, someone is doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Can someone Explain like I'm 5, what's the issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Can someone Explain like I'm 5, what's the issue here? Ek aunty na, amrika gayi thi.. usne doosri aunty ko paise ni diye aur kaam bhi karwa liya.. amrikan uncle ne bola "Galt baat" aur unko pakad liya... India uncle ne bola "mai ni, mai ni..vo meri friend hai. usko pakda to mai tumse katti" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Can someone Explain like I'm 5, what's the issue here? Okay, this is the first time I am doing this so cut me some slack, Countries that want to develop strong diplomatic and socio-economic ties generally establish an Embassy of theirs in other countries, the Commonwealth equivalent is a High Commission. Indian Foreign Service (IFS) cadre officers are deployed to these consular and embassy missions in various countries. Mrs. Devyani Khobragade is one such IFS officer who holds the post Deputy Consul General in the Indian Embassy at New York. She was recently arrested on the allegation by her domestic help (an Indian local), which include paying below the minimum stipulated wage ($3.31 vis-á-vis $10 per hour), alleged harassment and the US officials have charged her with VISA fraud. Her defence has rallied around the facts, that such things have happened in the past where diplomats have brought domestic help from their own nation *under specified contracts and VISA clearances*, that her own salary of $4000 is too low to allow her to give the domestic help the stipulated minimum wage. After arrest, it seems she was detained in the same cells which hold prostitutes and drug addicts and was subjected to a strip search by the police. All of this has raised heckles here and everyone in a bid to gain brownie points are refusing audience with a US delegation. Which is being hailed as a great thing to happen. Apart from all this the privileges and security of the US Embassy and its employee's has been compromised (allegedly). Now everything is in the air and I think we have shot ourselves in the foot while Udham and Co. thinks this was a pre-mediated effort to besmirch the diplomats name and has unintentionally / intentionally wrecked the Indo-US bonhomie. Ek aunty na, amrika gayi thi.. usne doosri aunty ko paise ni diye aur kaam bhi karwa liya.. amrikan uncle ne bola "Galt baat" aur unko pakad liya... India uncle ne bola "mai ni, mai ni..vo meri friend hai. usko pakda to mai tumse katti" Damn you Shantz Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 That lady was being a cheapskate and is at fault. Also, there is no way her salary is 4k when minimum salary of a domestic help is freaking 4.5k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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