Ne0 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 They should have treated her with respect no doubt about that, but she was also at fault flouting rules especially in a foreign country.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devil_angel Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Soooooo....Indians can still visit the US for vacations right? Or will they be shot in the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane_killer06 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lol they would be strip checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonStruckHorrors Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/new-york-visa-fraud-case-arrested-indian-diplomat-devyani-khobragade-flat-in-adarsh-society-mumbai/1/331092.html huehue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Dude if I list you the sort of "White Collar" irregularities that foreign delegates(Specially Americans) are doing in our country then you would bang your head on wall for the crime she did & was treated like a criminal Also the fact that if found guilty she can be imprisoned upto 15 f**ckin years She didn't do anything to deserve all this if you give it a practical view point & I'm hoping India for once will!! Do w tit for tat & nab all the US diplomates & delegates with irregularities & put them in Tihad jail with Terrorists yep i agree she was to be treated with a more dignity and respect , especially considering that she is a diplomat.... but dont compare the law enforcement in India with the west .... there are people who've done far worse things who are roaming scott free in India because of some or the other privilege and in some cases, just coz they are rich .... don't expect the same treatment in other countries .... law enforcement is much more strict in west and one has to be careful in following the local regulations when staying there ! And wtf, only $4000 salary she gets being a diplomat i think even s/w engineers on work permits will be paid much better that that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^^ yep, blame the shoddy law enforcement in India, even if some guys do manage to get arrested, they would be out in no time and roaming free on bail, and the case will take forever to complete (with multiple appeals and what not) .... afaik, the victims of bhopal gas tragedy are still waiting justice , decades after the event has happened ! basic law enforcement in India needs to be fixed .... kind of also the reason why people in high positions expect the same treatment when they are outside India, like how some time back SRK was making a lot of hue and cry for being checked at airport :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Does the offence of underpaying your employee equates to inhuman behaviour Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Dude if I list you the sort of "White Collar" irregularities that foreign delegates(Specially Americans) are doing in our country then you would bang your head on wall for the crime she did & was treated like a criminal Also the fact that if found guilty she can be imprisoned upto 15 f**ckin years She didn't do anything to deserve all this if you give it a practical view point & I'm hoping India for once will!! Do w tit for tat & nab all the US diplomates & delegates with irregularities & put them in Tihad jail with Terrorists Yeah problem is, seeing the jingoistic response of revoking security for the Embassy is going overboard. No other Indian official, save Mrs. Devyani is being targeted, that too after the complainant has come out in the open. India mein, ulta, everyone is at fault, irrespective of their background, revoke everything. Including their security. Just hope that nothing untoward happens in the coming days w.r.t. US Embassy otherwise apart from making a hue and cry on nothing we will have an egg on our face. The amount of security & VIP treatment provided to them is no less then a top politician level Don't expect same for Indians over there but.......this!! Is!! too much Have you seen the Indian Embassy in New York? Do you know the security they are provided before making such a casual remark. They are our guest and their safety is our responsibility. They are subject to be tried under Indian laws and in by Indian judiciary if any 'discrepancy' is brought out but revoking security. We might end up regretting this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And wtf, only $4000 salary she gets being a diplomat i think even s/w engineers on work permits will be paid much better that that ! I don't know how much officials are paid but it should certainly be much more than this. She might be quoting something like basic or something for the sake of making an argument. They also get per diem, TA, DA, other perks, reimbursements for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't know how much officials are paid but it should certainly be much more than this. She might be quoting something like basic or something for the sake of making an argument. They also get per diem, TA, DA, other perks, reimbursements for everything. As far as I know, they are entitled to travel on Air India flights for free for their official purposes or something on the lines. And really, if her pay is $4000 per month, how has she furnished $250,000 for the bail-bond. And if it is provided by the MeA / Indian government, what a waste of tax payer money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The US embassy in Delhi & nearby American School was no less the a Fortress No civilian like me can even cross that road where it's located...barricades planted on all location No other embassy on Delhi has this much security Everytime I visit AFND I have to go down that road. And lots of embassy's carry this amount of security, Australian High Commission always has a Police van outside it. There are low profile countries (Poland, Afghanistan) too but lack of visible security is deceptive. It is a courtesy we are extending, lets assume tomorrow something untoward happens in the vicinity of the Embassy or some official / diplomat is targeted whilst they are open what face will this country have? I agree that the US has shown heaped great indignity on Mrs. Devyani but that is because the case is registered against her in an individual capacity, not against her rank and role in the Indian overseas mission to the US. She has flouted their rules and it is completely in their ambit to try and prosecute her. Why has her family and the High Court ordered the domestic help's direct family in India to be placed in custody then? This is classic arm-twisting, so that she stands down. Obviously it did not work and now everything is up in the air. If an Indian delegates security & integrity can be compromised by putting her with street criminals then this isn't need for US delegates either It's a right move to send a strong message One delegate who has a criminal case against her, pretty serious stuff too *VISA fraud ain't a joke*. While we have removed all chocks wholesale. Which sends a very wrong signal. We have not even proven anyone guilty and are revoking their rights, which is honestly going overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The logic says you can't put a foreign delegate to a local US marshal's custody to be treated like a street thug & that will remain a logic I dont think anybody is contesting that part .... like i have said before, she should've been treated with much more respect and dignity by the authorities there considering she's a diplomat .... What I'm saying is that, she should've been more cognizant of the local regulations .... especially when she's in a position where she's representing a country in a foreign land ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Why were they even getting the unofficial perks in the first place? :confused:Genuine Question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 & hand coughing/strip searching a young Indian lady for no apparent immediate or on scene criminal activity not on attack on her rights?! The strip search is the deplorable part, young lady? Dude she is like 39 years old, which is not exactly my definition of young. & what visa fraud is involved in her case....I only know about paying the domestic help un appropriately How Mrs. Sangeeta Richards reached America. That is the VISA fraud angle which is being looked into apart from grossly lower pay than the local stipulated law levels. Imagine every-time you make fun of the UPA lowering the bar on what defines poverty. Apply it in the domestic helps case and to add salt to the wounds have her immediate family in India placed under custody. & what has been actually proven?! Just that the complainant in this case, Mrs. Sangeeta Richards had absconded from her job and lodged a complaint against Mrs. Devyani Khobragade for lack of minimum wage which later brought out the VISA fraud story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Don't even know how to reply to that Any human who is in 30's is considered fairly young in my books I am not debating semantics here and she is almost 40, has two kids. And I don't think everyone in the NYPD is a lecherous git. So if tmrw any local domestic help goes onto to say anything...will it make ppl a criminal on the scene then & there?! & the help's family is in custody....in custody!! You know what that means?!...they are held for interrogation to get some facts clear about her & family They weren't hand coughed ,manhandled, strip searched & put in lock up with papu yadav's gang Custody could also mean that they are in house arrest Dude, this drama has been going on since July now if you are to believe what facts were given in the Rediff links by Udham, high drama started now. So this means since July the police department has pieced something logical together Why is the family being detained here? Mrs. Richards left way back in November last year, what do you clarify from family members here in India? A complaint needs to be proved to label someone criminal So pray tell me why identity kits of American officials has been revoked and security been toned down when we don't even have a proper criminal case against one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 & the family here is being held for investigative purposes for all we know How was their daughter...how did she end up in US,who approached her to work their What was she offered in return as wage or perks There are a gazillion questions like these that the Indian officuials can only gather info/lead from this family here now & I'm astonishingly shocked that you are worried about this family here(& not the women there) while they are "just in custody" Which could be a private official property or their own homes for all we know They are not in lock up with criminals & far far away from being treated inhumanly I think everyone on this thread has unanimously accepted the fact that treating of Mrs. Kobragade was poorly executed. And seriously hand-cuffing is fine, hand-cuffing in her official capacity would have been impossible that is why I think they did it when she went to drop her daughter to school. It is sickening that the US practises strip searches and stuff but this is not like the first time and I don't expect it to end here. Do you have proof about who all are detailed? As far as I have read only her husband and son have been put in-custody. Yeah! I am worried about the family here because guess what, Mr. Khobragade is a former IAS officer and only after their family put this in front of the High Court did the gears start grinding here. If you can make stupid cliché conspiracy theories of defaming Mrs. D Khobragade then so can I about the inverse. Sangeeta Richards went AWOL in July, there is an arrest warrant on her head if she returns to India, why? Because she absconded from work, because she complained and blew the lid on something sleazy? Why? Can you answer that before taking national pride on your head and parading around with it. Identity cards were issued by the Indian govt. & they are taken back to see who all are with effect under immunity law & who are not & what exactly are their designations with regard to foreign affairs What sort of criminal record one has to have to go through a governmental review drill to form an action plan to take up forign policy measures None of them are being mistreated....just reviewed & the security isn't being withdrawn....it's just being toned down from "VIP" to "required" & this is to force pressure on American forign policy makers to act more responsibly & humanly Which is absolutely right thing to do Weird that a review drill has to take place after a highly placed Indian official is demeaned in the home-country of diplomats. Just hope that nothing bad happens, whether conspiracy theory or no it will destroy India's credibility of safe-guarding diplomats from terror acts. Which mind you anyway is not something to laugh about in the first place. If you think any of this pressure will stop the US from enforcing laws in its own soil you live under a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ground facts to be noted. - An american McD worker makes 8$ per hr - They make nearly 2k per month - Only basic health insurance is given to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 She committed a mistake and if any other country's diplomat would have done that, he/she would have been subjected to same treatment. That is how US works. So this crying and whining needs to stop. People need to respect the laws wherever they go, else be ready for consequences. Problem is, we Indians think VIPs, diplomats etc should be treated specially, because we do that ourselves, but expecting the same from other countries is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ground facts to be noted. - An american McD worker makes 8$ per hr - They make nearly 2k per month - Only basic health insurance is given to them What is their shift time? Because even if they work 8 hours a day on $8 an hour for say five days a week you don't get anywhere close to $2000. In a work place like McDonald's what more should be provided apart from Life Insurance. Sent from my ST27i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 What is the point bringing in McD employee's salary? Is it comparable to Domestic help's work? Seriously, are people now questioning what is salary of a immigrant domestic help on K3 VISA compared to a resident McD worker? What is the point? Question the law? Questioning US intentions? Question minimum salary scales? Dont go a random news channel way FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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