Cash Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 She committed a mistake and if any other country's diplomat would have done that, he/she would have been subjected to same treatment. That is how US works. So this crying and whining needs to stop. People need to respect the laws wherever they go, else be ready for consequences. Problem is, we Indians think VIPs, diplomats etc should be treated specially, because we do that ourselves, but expecting the same from other countries is stupid. +1 How simple is this? Obey the rules of the country you live in not the one you were born in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Yes an Indian born domestic help is entitled to much more then any of mid service classes make in India That's why Devyani can serve upto 15 years in jail What she was actually paying was INR.83,700 Okay let me try to explain this to you: That salary was for specific VISA holder, and not any domestic help. She brought her maid on the basis of that VISA (K3 or A3 VISA, I forgot) So, as per US Immigration laws, the minimum wage for an immigrant worker holding that VISA is 4500$. IT DOESNT MATTER WHATEVER THE f**k anyone earns in their own country. These are VISA laws, not work laws. Hence I laughed when someone brought in McD wages. For example, a basic 2-3 work experienced Software Engineer working in Indian IT industry earns like 3-5 lacs per year, but when he goes to US on H1 or L1 VISA, his minimum yearly wage in US becomes 55k to 65K $ per year depending on the state he is in. So that is around 5k$ per month. If a company tries to go below that, it can be sued and can lose billions. So compare that to India salaries. This is how VISAs and minimum wages work. Obviously that retard diplomat thought like a small minded Indian and tried to circumvent her salary, but was caught and pwned. Now we Indians, most of us who dont have a f**king clue about minimum wages or VISA norms are crying foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lol just bring that poor soul to India for Christ sake before she goes in for 10-15 years She cant. ALSO I salute some ppl here Do you work in IT industry? I am sure anyone working in IT Industry especially with US clients should have got what is happening in this issue now. I dont expect other people to understand, not their fault. They are still stuck at WHAAA MAID EARNING 2.5 lacs per month WTFBBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Was she manipulating her own pay in some way by evading something?!What is your point really?! She fraudulently gave the maid a visa grade which she shouldn't have?! to evade or manipulate something?! This hasn't been written or spoken else where as of now 1. Her pay is 4100 something, but all her other services are free, like accomodation, expenses for travel, phone etc. So that amounts to a lot, kinda like Indian politicians. So yeah, on paper, she earns 4100, but that is not complete picture. 2. She got her maid on a VISA (A3) that has minimum wage of 4.5k. Here, read this: According to the allegations in the criminal complaint unsealed today in the Manhattan federal court, Khobragade prepared and electronically submitted an application for an A-3 visa through the website for the US department of state's consular electronic application center for an Indian national ("Witness-1"), who was to be the personal employee of Khobragade beginning in November 2012. The visa application stated that witness-1 was to be paid $4,500 per month in US dollars. Khobragade and witness-1 also signed an employment contract for witness-1 to bring to Witness-1's interview at the US embassy in India in connection with the visa application, which witness-1 did at Khobragade's direction. The first employment contract stated, among other things, that Khobragade would pay witness-1 the prevailing or minimum wage, whichever is greater, resulting in an hourly salary of $9.75. The complaint said Khobragade knew that the first employment contract that she caused witness-1 to submit to the US state department in connection with witness-1's visa application contained materially false and fraudulent statements about, among other things, witness-1's hourly wage and hours worked. Prior to the signing of the first employment contract, Khobragade and witness-1 had allegedly agreed that she would pay Rs 30,000 per month, which at the time was equivalent to $573.07. The complaint said at 40 hours per week, with approximately 4.3 weeks in a month, $573.07 equates to a rate of $3.31 per hour. However, Khobragade instructed witness-1 to say that she would be paid $9.75 per hour, and not to say anything about being paid 30,000 rupees per month. Khobragade also instructed witness-1 to say that witness-1 would work 40 hours per week, and that witness-1's duty hours would be 7am to 12.30pm, and 6.30pm to 8.30pm. She told witness-1 that the first employment contract was a formality to get the visa. After the first employment contract was submitted to the United States department of state, Khobragade told witness-1, that witness-1 needed to sign another employment contract (second employment contract). Khobragade and witness-1 signed the second employment contract, which provided that witness-1's maximum salary per month including overtime allowance will not exceed 30,000 rupees per month. The second employment contract does not contain any provision about the normal number of working hours per week or month. The complaint said witness-1 worked for Khobragade as a household employee in from approximately November 2012 through approximately June 2013. Khobragade, 39, was charged with one count of visa fraud and one count of making false statements, which carry maximum sentences of ten years and five years in prison, respectively. She was expected to appear before US magistrate judge Debra Freeman on Thursday afternoon. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-12-13/us-canada-news/45160824_1_visa-application-visa-fraud-employment-contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 What are you really trying to say here I don't really get Was she manipulating her own pay in some way by evading something?! What is your point really?! She fraudulently gave the maid a visa grade which she shouldn't have?! to evade or manipulate something?! This hasn't been written or spoken else where as of now What he's trying to say is simple: 1) It was agreed on Visa that her maid would be paid 4500 USD. She did not pay he maid as much. Violation no 1. 2)The amount she paid was less than minimum wage there. Violation no 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^ Thank you Boss man. Sent from my ST27i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^ Thank you Boss man. Sent from my ST27i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But the question is why she brought the made on that visa grade?! Is there any answer to that Whatever might be her motive, it doesn't help her case nor does it matter. She agreed to an agreement and she didn't follow it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I can see all diplomats doing their owm Bartan-bhande in coming years. I can also see many suneeta bais coming home with million bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Futurama Fry MemeI am serious. But the question is why she brought the made on that visa grade?!Is there any answer to that Was it a mistake or was it on purpose to conduct some sort of evasion or Forgery?!Do all the domestic helps sent with foreign delegates use the same visa or this is a one of case Apparently it has been going on for quite some time, with tacit and implicit credence attached to it by the host country.And this is not the first time am Indian delegate has been involved in such a mess in the US.Why else is every IFS official penning Op-Ed article's condemning this move by the US. Because it hurts them, their image, their perks. Secondly the news ran on BBC world just now said nothing about wages or pay grade & simply said irregularities in Visa papers But the way Indian govnt. Is reacting is very strong & hell bent on getting her backNo Indian news is even talking about the visa grades or the forgery Only minimum pay wagesBecause that is how media works, latch on to a story, hype it to the moon and once it cools of bring in the actual meat.Almost every newspaper has this on their front-page along with what an affront it is to Indian sensibilities. Irregularity in VISA details in itself is snowballing into the later bogey of under payment of wages. If Mrs. Richards was taken to the US on the appropriate papers, this fracas would not have occurred or at-least not escalated to this level of Drama.I once again say that the US stepped over the line in certain detainment protocols but everywhere else it is a legit operation. I can see all diplomats doing their owm Bartan-bhande in coming years.I can also see many suneeta bais coming home with million bucks.Most defence officers on foreign deputation duties have to make do.Sent from my ST27i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg man Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well if the Visa fraud is actually the case Which leads to 15 years in prison I respect that since it's a US law But what about the Indian "companion" visa that some of the US delegates are enjoying here Read companion.....not couple It's a visa given to same sex companion & Since Indian "law" says no same sex They should all be deported or arrested & trialled Ya?!? I think the difference is this: In case of US Visa, there was an agreement and she was failed to follow through. In case of companion visa, we have given the permission to companionship and we have made gay sex illegal. There was nothing wrong from their side. maybe Visa law needs to be updated. But you can't prosecute them since the law was made after giving them the visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Strip search finds India's spine. - ToI I agree with what India is doing. Why the f**k didnt even feel need of giving a call to Indian embassy? They just planned this humiliation all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Well if the Visa fraud is actually the case Which leads to 15 years in prison I respect that since it's a US law Well one down. But what about the Indian "companion" visa that some of the US delegates are enjoying here Read companion.....not couple It's a visa given to same sex companion & Since Indian "law" says no same sex They should all be deported or arrested & trialled Indian Law does not say no to same sex relationships but no to intercourse. That too recently when the Supreme Court overlooked the High Court ruling on Section 377. Earlier it was legit, so short of keeping a spy to catch them in the act now, literally, I don't see how things can be proven. And what if said male companion is not there for any purpose, save maybe education or in personal capacity as a blood relative of said diplomat / official? Then what will we do? If anything is proven now after the court ruling on Section 377, we can take action but only if we have concrete proof. Ya?!? Sorry, don't follow you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Duh. Article 377 is imposed only there is a complaint. Indian Govt doesnt start cavity searches like US guys on random people to know if they enjoy sodomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 If something similar British or China diplomat had done ...or was there any such case against them they would have never been treated like this. Whole world takes us on a ride....because of our coward attitude. There is lot better way to handle this...USA could have charged her but done so in proper manner. I hope India takes even more severe steps....bhad mein jayen america.....bc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 man looking at this thread tells me some people have wayyyy too much time on their hands har random se random topic par e-peen fights AND THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS :~| /meme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolfy among us Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Ek aunty na, amrika gayi thi.. usne doosri aunty ko paise ni diye aur kaam bhi karwa liya.. amrikan uncle ne bola "Galt baat" aur unko pakad liya... India uncle ne bola "mai ni, mai ni..vo meri friend hai. usko pakda to mai tumse katti" Bro you didn't explain the strip search part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Bro you didn't explain the strip search part. Censored due to age limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsh1387 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 All in all I am glad India is showing some spine against US instead of cowering as usual. Who is at fault and who is to be punished and all that is Debatable. The treatment meted to her is unjust and so I support the way Indian govt. Is dealing with it. And someone here pointed how this won't had happen to a Chinese official. I totally agree. US is scared of China and everyone thinks Indians ka kya hai. Harass them black and blue. Sent from my Nexus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_ Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani-khobragade-case-why-we-must-humiliate-the-americans-1293367.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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