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[Right]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04FMiZ-l_60

 

 

 

AHAHAHHAHA

 

 

Preet Bhadwa

[Modgill]

Its all a political stunt.

 

Dont read too much into this Diplomatic tussle.

 

She is being treated in the best possible way i can think of in United States. otherwise ppl go to Jail there for 30-40 years for random stuff. like mistreating a maid, beating up a maid. This Indian Dalit diplomat will most likely in all probability go free with compensation to go with it.

[Right]

Best way possible ?!!!

^ Kuch toh bhi

 

Preet is gonna pay with his career in this.

[spindoctor]

Is there anyone at all denying that she was guilty of what she has been accused of? Of deliberately paying her staff less than what their law mandates and falsifying documentation to do so?

 

Or is the outrage simply a case of yes, she was guilty BUT diplomat hai is liye chalta hai or she's a diplomat so she should have gotten special treatment over and above 'common criminals'.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

The diplomat's salary is 4,120$ and the maid is alleging that the diplomat made changes to the contract and was ill treating her & not giving her the minimum wage as prescribed under the US anti-slavery law which amount to 4,500$. it is common sense that Mrs. Khobragade could not have paid 4,500$ to her maid when she herself only gets 4,120$ as salary.

 

Now this is a standard accepted procedure wherein overlapping of laws of nations concerned leads to such grey areas, and this usually is never taken up as a big issue, but here Sangeeta Richards used this grey area to allege violation of Anti-slave law to twist the diplomat's arm into helping her gain a green card to which Khobragade refused, after her blackmail went south and Khobragade got legal proceeding started against maid & her family in India, in retaliation the maid moved forward on the threat and got a case registered against Khobragade under Anti-slave law demanding monetary compensation + laying the groundwork for political asylum for herself & her family. Mr. Preet Bhadua saw this case as an opportunity to highlight his "unbiased" pro american stance to further his political cause which snowballed into a big diplomatic F**k UP !!

[Right]

I think Ms Devyani got played

 

1. Suneeta has served at US diplomat in India

2. Her father works in the US embassy

3. Her husband works for Mozambique embassy

4. She pleaded to Sunita to take her to US

 

So I believe she was in know of the technicality, something which has been exploited twice already. So Suneeta bai plotted this all along, she used the contacts at the right time, got in touch with Preet Bhadwa. There was no way her husband and kids could have got Visa.

 

About the minimum wages thing, since she isnt paying for food/stay/insurance, the compensation she received is still fair. But this should have been made a part of contract.

 

In view if all this, I think Devyani isnt guilty. She was entrapped.

[Nemo]

The diplomat's salary is 4,120$ and the maid is alleging that the diplomat made changes to the contract and was ill treating her & not giving her the minimum wage as prescribed under the US anti-slavery law which amount to 4,500$. it is common sense that Mrs. Khobragade could not have paid 4,500$ to her maid when she herself only gets 4,120$ as salary.

 

Now this is a standard accepted procedure wherein overlapping of laws of nations concerned leads to such grey areas, and this usually is never taken up as a big issue, but here Sangeeta Richards used this grey area to allege violation of Anti-slave law to twist the diplomat's arm into helping her gain a green card to which Khobragade refused, after her blackmail went south and Khobragade got legal proceeding started against maid & her family in India, in retaliation the maid moved forward on the threat and got a case registered against Khobragade under Anti-slave law demanding monetary compensation + laying the groundwork for political asylum for herself & her family. Mr. Preet Bhadua saw this case as an opportunity to highlight his "unbiased" pro american stance to further his political cause which snowballed into a big diplomatic F**k UP !!

 

 

 

THIS.

 

the people are being outraged and not understanding the quid pro quo thing that generally happens. The 'muricans get stuff like darru over permissible limits, and some tax benefits etc, while serving here. It is basically you scratch my back, i scratch yours.

 

The maid however used the grey area to her full benefit.. like we say in hindi- "apna ulluoo seedha kar liya". I am glad that the ifs officer is getting full support from our government. Really good. But the way people are saying that it is a an unfair treatment and worst of all "racism" is just

 

Yes she kinda did break a law, it is just that to us (as in we), the law in question is not really comprehensible, the offense seems very benign. Somehow people arent just willing to believe that how can a little ill treatment and underpayment of a domestic help cause all this tamasha….

Well, think of it this way, If you relieve yourself on a bright street corner or throw away the greasy napkin of your dozen samosa feast from your moving car, it is a standard practice here, but in certain countries you'd get 2 months' community service IF that is your first offense.

[Params7]

lol I'm absolutely LOVING this Devyani case. Good lesson to future families immigrating to the west. If you bring your bais along, be prepared to not treat them like subhuman scum anymore.

 

 

I think Ms Devyani got played

1. Suneeta has served at US diplomat in India
2. Her father works in the US embassy
3. Her husband works for Mozambique embassy
4. She pleaded to Sunita to take her to US

So I believe she was in know of the technicality, something which has been exploited twice already. So Suneeta bai plotted this all along, she used the contacts at the right time, got in touch with Preet Bhadwa. There was no way her husband and kids could have got Visa.

About the minimum wages thing, since she isnt paying for food/stay/insurance, the compensation she received is still fair. But this should have been made a part of contract.

In view if all this, I think Devyani isnt guilty. She was entrapped.

 

I see you pushing your shitty conspiracy theory on neogaf too. What was the other option for that maid? Didn't Devyani had Delhi police harass her family? Isn't that blackmail? Kudos to the state if they got her family under protective custody.

 

Living in the US and earning under $10 isn't possible. The anti-slavery laws are clear here and your point about food/insurance being tied to her employers doesn't stand. Even from a practical standpoint, its ridiculous underpayment. Teenagers delivering newspapers earn more and it doesn't even come close to sustaining yourself.

[spindoctor]

it is common sense that Mrs. Khobragade could not have paid 4,500$ to her maid when she herself only gets 4,120$ as salary.

 

 

Then... don't hire a maid if you can't afford it? Or is that some inalienable right she had.

 

 

Yes she kinda did break a law, it is just that to us (as in we), the law in question is not really comprehensible, the offense seems very benign.

 

So basically we're pissed that the Americans take a breach of their labour laws more seriously than we do? Is that because we consider $4500 a crazy high amount of money for a maid so we can't comprehend why this is a problem?

 

As a side note, is it really called an 'anti slavery law'? Because that could explain why the Americans are coming down hard on this. Slavery is one of the biggest black marks on their society in the last century and that's possibly why they have no tolerance for it.

 

 

lol I'm absolutely LOVING this Devyani case. Good lesson to future families immigrating to the west. If you bring your bais along, be prepared to not treat them like subhuman scum anymore.

 

 

To be honest, when I first heard about this, I was actually very surprised that people actually take along their domestic help when they emigrate. Is this a common thing?

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

^And so are various laws regarding section 377, escaping import duties & many more, should India also strip search, cavity search the American buffoons & then throw them in the bin with murderers & rapists who would have a treat with some White candy for breakfast, lunch & dinner,

 

it is so obnoxious that people can't understand that living standards of India & America aren't the same !!

 

Also if the US is so hell bent on following it's anti-slavery laws, then why don't they prosecute their own diplomats who are underpaying maids & helpers in consulates & embassies across the globe including India & other African countries, where is their conscience at those times, all of them should also be rounded up & thrown with other drug addicts of US.

 

It is a frigging GREY area why is it so hard to understand, the maid used this for her own selfish interests & she got away with it & further to cover her tracks threw an honest IFS officer under the bus!!

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tejas-all-set-to-get-certification-for-iaf-induction/article5479143.ece

 

 

 

 

 

Made of composite materials, which weigh less than a fifth of metal, the aircraft has marked India’s entry into a select group of nations that can build such flying machines from scratch.

Almost 30 years after it was conceptualized and 20 years after funds were released for it, India’s indigenously designed and developed frontline fighter aircraft, Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, is all set to get the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC II) here on Friday that would pave the way for its induction into the Indian Air Force squadrons.

[Shadoken]

 

To be honest, when I first heard about this, I was actually very surprised that people actually take along their domestic help when they emigrate. Is this a common thing?

 

Unfortunately yes ... and its not just India that does this.

[spindoctor]

^And so are various laws regarding section 377, escaping import duties & many more, should India also strip search, cavity search the American buffoons & then throw them in the bin with murderers & rapists who would have a treat with some White candy for breakfast, lunch & dinner,

 

it is so obnoxious that people can't understand that living standards of India & America aren't the same !!

 

Also if the US is so hell bent on following it's anti-slavery laws, then why don't they prosecute their own diplomats who are underpaying maids & helpers in consulates & embassies across the globe including India & other African countries, where is their conscience at those times, all of them should also be rounded up & thrown with other drug addicts of US.

 

It is a frigging GREY area why is it so hard to understand, the maid used this for her own selfish interests & she got away with it & further to cover her tracks threw an honest IFS officer under the bus!!

 

I was going to formulate a reply but then I got to the last line.

 

[Params7]

^And so are various laws regarding section 377, escaping import duties & many more, should India also strip search, cavity search the American buffoons & then throw them in the bin with murderers & rapists who would have a treat with some White candy for breakfast, lunch & dinner,

 

The strip/cavity searching is uncalled for but you need to realize American's didn't do this out of some hidden prejudice for Indians. This kind of treatment by detainees is experienced by born and bred citizens of this country too. America does have a problem here among a host of others (including trigger happy cops).

 

White, American women get stripped searched here if suspected. Devyani either needs to either shut the **** up and go back to India or face the problems here without making this an issue of self-centered racism because it clearly isn't.

 

Its an issue of how Americans treat detainees. Period. Not how Americans treat Indian diplomat detainees.

 

 

 

Also if the US is so hell bent on following it's anti-slavery laws, then why don't they prosecute their own diplomats who are underpaying maids & helpers in consulates & embassies across the globe including India & other African countries, where is their conscience at those times, all of them should also be rounded up & thrown with other drug addicts of US.

 

It is a frigging GREY area why is it so hard to understand, the maid used this for her own selfish interests & she got away with it & further to cover her tracks threw an honest IFS officer under the bus!!

 

If this is such a grey issue, why are you so hellbent on taking a black and white stance on it? America has no control over their citizens living in other nations. And people adapt to living conditions. In India, it is perfect okay to hire cheap labor, beat them if necessary. In America, it isn't. You should be ashamed.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

 

The strip/cavity searching is uncalled for but you need to realize American's didn't do this out of some hidden prejudice for Indians. This kind of treatment by detainees is experienced by born and bred citizens of this country too. America does have a problem here among a host of others (including trigger happy cops).

 

White, American women get stripped searched here if suspected. Devyani either needs to either shut the **** up and go back to India or face the problems here without making this an issue of self-centered racism because it clearly isn't.

 

Its an issue of how Americans treat detainees. Period. Not how Americans treat Indian diplomat detainees.

 

If this is such a grey issue, why are you so hellbent on taking a black and white stance on it? America has no control over their citizens living in other nations. And people adapt to living conditions. In India, it is perfect okay to hire cheap labor, beat them if necessary. In America, it isn't. You should be ashamed.

 

Under the Vienna conventions a diplomat is bound to be treated with full courtesy irrespective of whether she is stationed at a consulate or an embassy, the only exception to this is for 'grave' cases, which include the likes of murder, this was definitely not a murder charge !!

 

Acording to your last para it is okay for Americans to adapt to other countries living standards when it suits them economically (including underpaying their maids & helpers) but it is a crime for an Indian to do so on American land & the diplomat's maid should be paid above even the pay grade of the diplomat, Kudos to your logic!!

 

Also as far as beating up the maid is concerned, NO no one is endorsing a behavior like that but just because Sangeeta Richards said that this was done to her, it does not make it engraved in stone & word of GOD !!

[Params7]

 

Under the Vienna conventions a diplomat is bound to be treated with full courtesy irrespective of whether she is stationed at a consulate or an embassy, the only exception to this is for 'grave' cases, which include the likes of murder, this was definitely not a murder charge !!

 

Include but not limited to murder charges. Anti-slavery laws here are akin to murder charges. Read an American history book.

 

 

 

Acording to your last para it is okay for Americans to adapt to other countries living standards when it suits them economically but it is a crime for an Indian to do so & the diplomat's maid should be paid above even the pay grade of the diplomat, Kudos to your logic!!

 

I never said it was okay. If you want to play this like that, then yes, India should arrest and anal search those American citizens in India who hire cheap labor, but it also has to show the same courtesy to Indians in India committing those same practices also. Because I know Americans will arrest other Americans if they practiced those crimes Devyani was committing.

 

Again, you should be ****ing ashamed for taking the side of the elite who have obviously tried to abuse their powers. Glad it all blew up on their face.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Yes, all those US diplomats should be stripped cavity searched & thrown in the bin, Thanks for the thumbs UP !! but we all know that can't happen at this point & juncture, you have your own perspective and I have my own that does not call for accusations !!

 

Do give Vienna conventions and legal sop's when dealing with diplomats a read before shooting from the mouth !! akin to murder charge & a murder charge are 2 different entities, had it been anyone else than an Indian diplomat then Vienna convention would not have come in the picture, but when there is an overlapping of local & international conventions discretion has to be there, which was not observed in case of Devyani Khobragade.

 

No need to get emotional & personal, talk on facts not fiction !!

[Params7]

Yes, all those US diplomats should be stripped cavity searched & thrown in the bin, Thanks for the thumbs UP !! but we all know that can't happen at this point & juncture, you have your own perspective and I have my own that does not call for accusations !!

 

 

 

Nice try, but no. I didn't say India should arrest US diplomats - I said India should arrest any person who she deems committed a grave crime. The US arrested Devyani because she committed those crimes for which the US would arrest any person in their nation for.

 

 

Do give Vienna conventions and legal sop's when dealing with diplomats a read before shooting from the mouth !! akin to murder charge & a murder charge are 2 different entities, had it been anyone else than an Indian diplomat then Vienna convention would not have come in the picture, but when there is an overlapping of local & international conventions discretion has to be there, which was not observed in case of Devyani Khobragade.

 

I don't get most of what you're saying here. Sorry man. Vienna convention mentions "grave conditions". Violating the minimum wage-law/slavey laws is a very serious and very grave condition.

 

 

No need to get emotional & personal, talk on facts not fiction !!

 

What facts? All I see is mindless conspiracy theories from the likes of you and others on some long, calculated con the servant pulled meanwhile Devyani seems to be some goddess incapable of mistreating her servant even though it has been proved she was severely underpaying the maid. Kisko gadha banara he? Facts show mistreatment first on the maid's side.

 

Its funny Devyani is crying about mistreatment as well, must be the first time she got the taste of her own medicine.

[Shadoken]

Living in the US and earning under $10 isn't possible. The anti-slavery laws are clear here and your point about food/insurance being tied to her employers doesn't stand. Even from a practical standpoint, its ridiculous underpayment. Teenagers delivering newspapers earn more and it doesn't even come close to sustaining yourself.

 

But but but she is a maid .... I want to pay and treat them like crap just like how i do in India.

I mean when Americans can bring fancy cars and beer from their country , why cant I bring my underpaid Maids. Perfectly SANE comparison here folks. /sarcasm

 

 

And why the hell did she need to put a monthly pay of $4500 ?

At 10$/hour working Full time(8 hours/day). You only need to pay her $1600? And srsly why the hell do you need a full time maid anyway?

.Living in the US and earning under $10 isn't possible. The anti-slavery laws are clear here and your point about food/insurance being tied to her employers doesn't stand. Even from a practical standpoint, its ridiculous underpayment. Teenagers delivering newspapers earn more and it doesn't even come close to sustaining yourself.

 

niga you dont know about us students .... I used to spend around 600$ a month on living expenses , rest of the cash would go to gaming

[ALPHA17]

Glad I made my exit when I did.

 

A good article on the topic that I have abandoned, L'Affaire Khobragade: A tale of two narratives.

 

Anyway, here is some news for the buggers who keep crying and bawling about Indian defence forces purchasing equipment from abroad in which cases we are 'swindled', An Army in search of artillery.