The News Thread

[Shadoken]

This thing is on GAF and the retarded Americans there are complaining about caste system and how inhuman this is and sh*t . Srsly we get it , what she did was wrong. But to talk as if the whole of india is racist and we still have slaves or something.

 

Yes the very same country where it was legal to own slaves is complaining about some age old system. These guys seem to have no problem buying products that are made here and in China while paying workers RIDICULOUSLY low wages by ANY country's standard.

[ALPHA17]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tejas-all-set-to-get-certification-for-iaf-induction/article5479143.ece

 

It would have been better if they would have scrapped the project.

 

What a farce it has become.

[Ne0]

From the comments and discussion here, looks like there are lot of varying perspectives / culture differences in reading / interpreting a law:

 

1. Indians => Under paying workers and flouting labor laws are acceptable offense, should be ignored (especially when done by people at high places).

2. Americans => Laws are to be followed by one and all as a general rule of the thumb, and its upto their discretion on whom they will press charges against/not !

 

I think these issues end up more as a egoistical issues on either side. For Indians, now its a prestige issue if a diplomat is arrested, for US, it would be setting a bad precedent if they let her walk, especially now that its a fully blown issue.

 

IMO, the issue should've been resolved amicably by the members of the respective diplomatic counsels without involving the press. The law enforcement in US should've involved the Indian embassy and the foreign ministry of US (or its equivalent) before going ahead with a full fledged public arrest.

[Nemo]

 

 

 

So basically we're pissed that the Americans take a breach of their labour laws more seriously than we do? Is that because we consider $4500 a crazy high amount of money for a maid so we can't comprehend why this is a problem?

 

As a side note, is it really called an 'anti slavery law'? Because that could explain why the Americans are coming down hard on this. Slavery is one of the biggest black marks on their society in the last century and that's possibly why they have no tolerance for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you asking me or is it sort of a rhetoric?

 

Anyway.. what i hav experienced, it is the case where most people are just unable to understand how and why does under payment to a domeatic servant can result in arrest and possible jail time.

 

I mean.. is it hard to see that? Look how an avg upper middle class household treats the maid or bai?

 

That.

 

And you may very well be spot on with the "slavery and specific history" idea. I am not exactly sure but it seems very very plausible.

 

 

What i feel is that the case was there, in grey area. Then the maid had enough knowledge of technicalities (her family members work in embassies too- driver, nanny etc) and decided to take a chance.. and then the typical slimy "wakeel" came in and smelled blood, the Indian decent dude and sought mileage for his own political motive.

[Aftrunner]

This thing is on GAF and the retarded Americans there are complaining about caste system and how inhuman this is and sh*t . Srsly we get it , what she did was wrong. But to talk as if the whole of india is racist and we still have slaves or something.

 

Yes the very same country where it was legal to own slaves is complaining about some age old system. These guys seem to have no problem buying products that are made here and in China while paying workers RIDICULOUSLY low wages by ANY country's standard.

 

Gaf is one step removed from reddit. They just like to think they are better, in reality most of that site is pretty much the same as reddit. Mostly white, mostly upperclass, mostly left wing and yet very definitely xenophobic with shades of old school racism. You think India topics are bad, check any topic that mentions China. I wouldnt worry too much about it.

 

Edit Just for the record, I dont think there is anything the US did wrong legally (or even morally). And yet its almost certainly motivated politically as well. Find it hard to care though. There are worse transgressions on people who will never receive half of this limelight.

[Right]

gaf is being totally stupid.

One guy says revoking suneeta's visa was exaggeration, last time when US did it was in Edward snowden and Snowden had stuff makinh govt worried.

 

I mean wasnt it logical to revoke official visa of someone who has gone incommunicado leaving official duty behind?

[playstation]

I cant believe Indian Government cannot find any genuine case to press charges against american diplomats or they still holding back...lets see how americans who supporting this case against devyani behave then.

 

Btw i was trying to find out if there has been any such cases i USA before and it looks like somewhat exactly similar case happen with Bahrani Diplomat who hired a bangleadeshi maid and paid her low wages and even phsyically abused it but was not arrested coz they had diplomatic immuinity.

 

 

Pura world Ko Indians hi milta hai ...to set examples ...to uphold their laws...bakhi log kare toh thik hai..

 

Ghana ka diplomat ka beta was caught in some kinda of rape case ..had witness too but nikal gaya tha ...cause of diplomatic immunity ..police them him go in 45 mins after arrest ..

 

 

HUm log hi bc....jiska koi izzat nahi hai.......bc spineless government we have....koi case toh hogaya hi american diplomats ke against bhi...sala charge them....nanga kar ke search them...and throw them in tihar jail....Hum log ka desh ka bhi laws samjha sala american log ko...bc...

 

 

An Immigrant's Legal Enterprise; In Suing Employer, Maid Fights Diplomatic Immunity

As a maid for a high-ranking diplomat from Bahrain, Shamela Begum says she was kept a virtual prisoner in a high-rise apartment on Manhattan's East Side. For almost nine months, she was forbidden to go out alone, she says, and forced to work seven-day workweeks for meager wages that she never got to see herself.

http://www.rd.com/advice/diplomatic-immunity-going-too-far/

 

[playstation]

Devyani Khobragade case: India reiterates apology demand; US defiant

 

Read more at:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/27675011.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

India reiterates apology demand;

 

Kya Government hai hamara....

[Man In The Box]

 

I cant believe Indian Government cannot find any genuine case to press charges against american diplomats or they still holding back...lets see how americans who supporting this case against devyani behave then.

 

Btw i was trying to find out if there has been any such cases i USA before and it looks like somewhat exactly similar case happen with Bahrani Diplomat who hired a bangleadeshi maid and paid her low wages and even phsyically abused it but was not arrested coz they had diplomatic immuinity.

 

 

Pura world Ko Indians hi milta hai ...to set examples ...to uphold their laws...bakhi log kare toh thik hai..

 

Ghana ka diplomat ka beta was caught in some kinda of rape case ..had witness too but nikal gaya tha ...cause of diplomatic immunity ..police them him go in 45 mins after arrest ..

 

 

HUm log hi bc....jiska koi izzat nahi hai.......bc spineless government we have....koi case toh hogaya hi american diplomats ke against bhi...sala charge them....nanga kar ke search them...and throw them in tihar jail....Hum log ka desh ka bhi laws samjha sala american log ko...bc...

 

 

Devyani shouldn't have broken American laws. If you can't afford to pay your maid according to American laws, then you should not have taken her to America in the first place.

 

Indians still have this slave mentality and many Indian families treat their servants badly. It's hilarious how some people feel Americans are wrong when they mention that Indians still have a slave culture.

 

The Indian government should seriously back off and let America take its course of action. Hopefully this kind of a situation doesn't make it a problem for Indians who want to go to America for vacations

 

[Right]

Ya immigrant word is utter BS, its US which has facilitated the immigration of Suneeta's family.

[Man In The Box]

Again this is a very immature response

Devyani is not the only Foreign delegate in US having a domestic help brought in by their country

 

So your argument is that Indian delegates shouldn't enjoy the luxury of domestic help in the US because Indian economy doesn't allow the living standards of US economy

 

But US delegates should be fully allowed to use domestic help luxury in India coz their economy is far ahead of the Indian standards?!

 

Isn't this an advantage of work environments & being more efficient at your work just coz your economy is much stronger to the rest of the world?!

 

What sort of bully around logic is that

 

The maid which was an Indian was infact being paid handsomely according to her own home country's economy

Still she was free to decline & go back if she had a problem

 

 

 

Also this notion of "Indian mentality of servants" is utter BS

First & foremost if some people treat their servants badly it's the individual who's doing that.....you can't generalise it as Indian vs American Trent

 

Secondly the nature & standards of our country allows easy available domestic help coz less percentage of education & employment

It's infact a boon for the ppl to find work this way & get the cycle of their livelihood running from jobs like these

Where will these ppl go or do if it is abandoned

1st bold: Yeah, you can't eat your cake, and have it too. You want to enjoy all the conveniences of a first world country and not pay as per their economy? No.

 

And as far as American diplomats are concerned, they are living in a 3rd world economy in India and it's not their fault that their economy is much better than ours. So they have every right to take advantage of that.

 

2nd bold: Ya, so if some Indians (and it's not some but the majority) treat the servants bad, then it's not a cultural issue but an individual issue. And if some Indians (only very few) do good things, then that's because of the great Indian culture? Please.

 

3rd bold: Yeah, I agree this is a good industry and have nothing against them. But when you go to a first world country, you have to abide by their standards. There are no proper laws or education that the servants here can look at for reference if they are being abused. Atleast they have that right in America.

[Man In The Box]

NVM

[playstation]

 

 

 

Idiocity is hitting the roof here

 

 

 

 

When even the god can't handle the shamelessness

Not worth discussing with him.....let him be...

[Man In The Box]

[Shadoken]

First of all this issue actually exists outside of this case. People saying this isn't a grave crime need to understand that it exists.

 

Many restaurants... Etc run by Indians, Chinese..etc bring over people and pay them really low wages and mistreat them. In some cases it is borderline slavery .This is why US has no tolerance towards this.

 

Signing fake documents and stuff works against her a lot in this case. If she was really immune to us laws like you guys say why didn't she say the $300 wages on the documents?

 

You can't freaking compare cars to human beings goddamit. Are you really going to compare not paying duties to cars to not paying minimum. wages for a person? This issue is here is a bit more serious than that.

 

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[Shadoken]

Also the so called White hatted US backers should understand a simple fact

This law of US immigrant/work permit holder's minimum pay wage of $10 per hour doesn't apply to standard citizens of the country

As some one pointed.....McDonald employee's are paid $8 per hour

So this law wasn't really designed to protect anyone's rights or the sense of American righteousness as they are throwing around now

This law was designed for the sole purpose of making sure That only a curtain level of "Tax payees" can enter the USofA as immigrants & work visa's

 

The minimum wage differs from place to place in the us. It can go from 7 to 13 dollars per hour.

 

It is the same for everyone in the US. Students are paid the same minimum wage as Americans. It does change when you are under some other visas though. All this should be clear in the documents.

 

You should understand why US is treating this as a grave crime. As it has been done many times , if she is really immune then India should be able to bail her out.

 

 

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[Man In The Box]

Well said Shadoken. These guys are quite narrow minded.

[Shadoken]

Mistreating a human being is a grave crime. Underpaying them is considered mistreatment.

 

As for the maid signing the document , what does this have to do with anything? The maid isn't the one paying here. She signed a document that said she will be paid 4500.

 

Did she sign an additional document that says she will actually be paid 300$ And that the 4500 number is fake?

 

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[Shadoken]

Yes

Just like Devyani....she also signed the second document on her own free will

 

Which was clearly told to her was the real contract of agreements

& the first one was just a formality

 

Then that document should have been passed through US as well. As far as US is concerned only the first document exists.

 

 

 

Also what you all are saying is that , if Devyani was harming and abusing her house maid. The actions of the US would be perfectly justifiable and that she should be punished to the full extend of US Law.

 

But since the crime here is "just" underpaying an employee , it isn't a a grave crime?

 

 

 

Does anyone srsly not realize how fuked up that sounds?

[Shadoken]

It is indeed not a grave crime to any sensible human being

If tmrw I sign contract with my employee for 1 year & promise him a certain wage & next day I go bankrupt due to some natural calamity & give him a free option to walk away or work with what I can pay now

 

Is this a "grave crime" on my part

 

Will he charge me with act of "grave crime"

 

 

Grave crime means murder,robbery,theft or forcing someone to do something outside of their free will

 

If she really came to knew that she wasn't being paid as per the contract....why even continue for 6 months

Why not call it quits.....was she forced......can anyone prove it?!

 

 

Saying that entering in an agreement & not fulfilling it,is a "grave crime" is absurd

 

 

I think the discussion needs to stop here. This is pure backward thinking , There is a reason minimum wage has been enforced in the US. It is to prevent BS like this from happening. If we keep "adjusting" with lower pay , it only destroys the society.

 

 

 

So I sign a contract with someone in some remote tribe in a country, he will work for me for $10 a month. It is totally fine right? he signed it too. I didn't force him or anything. I also promised his tribe a box of cookies every week . Wow.

 

By your logic there is nothing wrong with the above statement.

 

 

 

The only reason Indians are empathizing with her is because OMG she wasnt happy with 300$ a month??? FIFTEEEN THOUSAND RUPEES FOR A MAID?? HOW DARE THEY!!!.

Also I am not defending the maid's actions , it is quite obvious she is taking advantage of the system too. But blaming US law enforcement is fuking absurd.