Guest Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 Don't sleep on Intel CPUs if you get in similar price range of AMD with slightly more expensive board. If you already have i5-3470 + 16 GB RAM + GTX 1060, you shouldn't upgrade your CPU before upgrading GPU. While your current CPU is still bottlenecking, it won't change too much even if you change your CPU. Games that are running at 50-60fps, will run at 60fps. The ones running at 30-40 still won't hit 60. What games are you looking to play? What games are you playing at the moment and giving your trouble hitting 60fps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomShade Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Joe Cool said: Don't sleep on Intel CPUs if you get in similar price range of AMD with slightly more expensive board. If you already have i5-3470 + 16 GB RAM + GTX 1060, you shouldn't upgrade your CPU before upgrading GPU. While your current CPU is still bottlenecking, it won't change too much even if you change your CPU. Games that are running at 50-60fps, will run at 60fps. The ones running at 30-40 still won't hit 60. What games are you looking to play? What games are you playing at the moment and giving your trouble hitting 60fps? Sorry for highjacking the other dude's query, but i'm in the same condition. I get low fps on ME Andromeda, AssCreed Egypt and Greece, RDR2, BFV MP, FFXV, Monster Hunter world, arkham knights, metro exodus and some other open world games i think my quadcore i5 4690k is at fault, but since you said Quote While your current CPU is still bottlenecking, it won't change too much even if you change your CPU. Games that are running at 50-60fps, will run at 60fps. The ones running at 30-40 still won't hit 60. Now i am confused if upgrading to ryzen 3600 or i5 10400 is even worth it. Unlike kemosabe tho i have a GTX 1660 SUPER, according to online benchmarks it should get 60 fps for most of those games at ultra or high( RDR2 needs magic mix of settings but that's the exception ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 Ryzen 3600 + 1660S vs i5-4690K + 1660S Is that gain worth spending on new CPU + Mobo + RAM? Just use your CPU for 1-2 more years or till nothing works smoothly anymore. I only upgraded GPU and kept CPU entire decade. For example, i5-4690K with 1080Ti/2070S. Have you overclocked your K processor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, dylanjosh said: Budget? Ideally : Ryzen 5 3600 MSI Tomahawk Max B450 motherboard 2x8gb Gskill RAM 17k + 12k + 8k = 37k Can know some things down if out of budget 25-30k ..not much of an overclocker myself 3 hours ago, Cryptic_8 said: What @dylanjoshsuggested is a very good setup, but 3600 is overpriced at a level you can call it a scam I'll list starting from the best for that requirement For 1080p 60FPS High: CPU - Ryzen 5 3600, Ryzen 3 3300X, Ryzen 5 3500, Ryzen 3 3100 Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro/ Asrock B450 Pro4 RAM: 8x2GB 3200mhz RAM I doubt if that 1060 can handle new AAA games. Your PC could get a sweet upgrade 2 hours ago, Joe Cool said: Don't sleep on Intel CPUs if you get in similar price range of AMD with slightly more expensive board. If you already have i5-3470 + 16 GB RAM + GTX 1060, you shouldn't upgrade your CPU before upgrading GPU. While your current CPU is still bottlenecking, it won't change too much even if you change your CPU. Games that are running at 50-60fps, will run at 60fps. The ones running at 30-40 still won't hit 60. What games are you looking to play? What games are you playing at the moment and giving your trouble hitting 60fps? Thank you guys for coming in for help. Ryzen 5 3600 is way expensive now, the closest at 15k range in Ryzen 5 3500x, I called a local shop for Ryzen 5 3500x+cheap 320mbo +32gb ddr4 combo (he did not say name of the mobo and ram) and quoted 24k with GST. I mostly game but like to have steaming side open, you never know, I think 6 core is minimum now and if possible I even thinking to get Ryzen 7 2700 which is quoted 17k in amazon which means might be slightly lower at local market. I was watching some video buy hardware unboxed who was comparing 3600, 3500x and 3300x with gtx 1650 super and higher at 1080p, all these three cpu gives almost same numbers. But i dont think getting 4 core 8 thread cpu will be good idea at this point, All I am thinking what might be the cheapest way to overcome some of the bottlneck of my current cpu. BTW Do I need a higher end Mobo with Ryzen, I am not much of a overclocker anyway, just wanted to setup something and run it till die kind of person here BTW intel i5 10400f has compelling argument at 14-15k range , If i paired it up with a cheap 5k mobo, might give more bang for buck but TDP is bit higher than ryzen but this cpu might last another 5 year until something major change happened in game development due to new console games Edited October 17, 2020 by kemosabe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, dylanjosh said: Budget? Ideally : Ryzen 5 3600 MSI Tomahawk Max B450 motherboard 2x8gb Gskill RAM 17k + 12k + 8k = 37k Can know some things down if out of budget 25-30k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, kemosabe said: Thank you guys for coming in for help. Ryzen 5 3600 is way expensive now, the closest at 15k range in Ryzen 5 3500x, I called a local shop for Ryzen 5 3500x+cheap 320mbo +32gb ddr4 combo (he did not say name of the mobo and ram) and quoted 24k with GST. I mostly game but like to have steaming side open, you never know, I think 6 core is minimum now and if possible I even thinking to get Ryzen 7 2700 which is quoted 17k in amazon which means might be slightly lower at local market. I was watching some video buy hardware unboxed who was comparing 3600, 3500x and 3300x with gtx 1650 super and higher at 1080p, all these three cpu gives almost same numbers. But i dont think getting 4 core 8 thread cpu will be good idea at this point, All I am thinking what might be the cheapest way to overcome some of the bottlneck of my current cpu. BTW Do I need a higher end Mobo with Ryzen, I am not much of a overclocker anyway, just wanted to setup something and run it till die kind of person here I have no idea how the quote is 24k with gst The 3500x should be about 13-14k A 320 mobo would be about 3-4k 16 gigs of ram would be about ~6k so 32gigs would be even more. Edited October 17, 2020 by Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted October 17, 2020 Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 43 minutes ago, Walker said: I have no idea how the quote is 24k with gst The 3500x should be about 13-14k A 320 mobo would be about 3-4k 16 gigs of ram would be about ~6k so 32gigs would be even more. my bad its 16gb ram not 32gb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomShade Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Joe Cool said: Ryzen 3600 + 1660S vs i5-4690K + 1660S Is that gain worth spending on new CPU + Mobo + RAM? Just use your CPU for 1-2 more years or till nothing works smoothly anymore. I only upgraded GPU and kept CPU entire decade. For example, i5-4690K with 1080Ti/2070S. Have you overclocked your K processor? I used to, but beyond 4.2ghz i would get BSOD, and at 4.2 there were negligible differences, thanks for these benchmarks tho, from which site did you get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) You can compare builds and check benchmark here 15 hours ago, kemosabe said: BTW intel i5 10400f has compelling argument at 14-15k range , If i paired it up with a cheap 5k mobo, might give more bang for buck but TDP is bit higher than ryzen but this cpu might last another 5 year until something major change happened in game development due to new console games 10400 is good. Both 3500x and 10400 max TDP is 65W. You get 6C/12T HT with 10400 while 6C/6T with 3500x. Get whichever fits your budget. But if both are in same price range, go with 10400. Edited October 18, 2020 by Joe Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 10400 is usually compared to 3600 but lately the price of 3600 has gone up due to new CPUs coming / oos. R5 3600 gets 9% higher multi-threaded benchmarks/13% higher single-threaded ones i5-10400 gets up to 14% higher fps i5-10400 consumes 20% less power in games and runs 22 degrees cooler at max (both with stock coolers)/ R5 3600 is quieter i5-10400F+upcoming H410 motherboards will put it in the same price range as the R5 3600 i5-10400F is recommended for gaming, and R5 3600 if you need it for other tasks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WR10 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 So I will be getting the 2070S in a couple of days and I will be upgrading my current setup(can be found in signature) to a 1440p build. So I will have to be upgrading the cpu+mobo+ram+psu+1440p monitor. As I won't be getting all of those in one stretch, how much of a bottleneck will my existing setup cause with the 2070S if I continue to game at 1080p for a while before I move on with the above purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, WR10 said: So I will be getting the 2070S in a couple of days and I will be upgrading my current setup(can be found in signature) to a 1440p build. So I will have to be upgrading the cpu+mobo+ram+psu+1440p monitor. As I won't be getting all of those in one stretch, how much of a bottleneck will my existing setup cause with the 2070S if I continue to game at 1080p for a while before I move on with the above purchases. Bottleneck is higher at 1080p than at 1440p. 40-50% at 1080p - shouldn't matter if you are capped at 60FPS. 20-25% at 1140p 10% at 4K If you upgrade to 10400 or 3600, you will still bottleneck (20% at 1080p/10% at 1440p/5% at 4K) which is completely fine. Congrats on 2070S. Fantastic card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WR10 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Joe Cool said: Bottleneck is higher at 1080p than at 1440p. 40-50% at 1080p - shouldn't matter if you are capped at 60FPS. 20-25% at 1140p 10% at 4K If you upgrade to 10400 or 3600, you will still bottleneck (20% at 1080p/10% at 1440p/5% at 4K) which is completely fine. Congrats on 2070S. Fantastic card. I only have a 450 watt psu now. I am guessing that's a lot lower than 2070S requirements. So can I put off in getting a new psu ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, WR10 said: I only have a 450 watt psu now. I am guessing that's a lot lower than 2070S requirements. So can I put off in getting a new psu ? You need 550-650W+ minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Joe Cool said: 10400 is usually compared to 3600 but lately the price of 3600 has gone up due to new CPUs coming / oos. R5 3600 gets 9% higher multi-threaded benchmarks/13% higher single-threaded ones i5-10400 gets up to 14% higher fps i5-10400 consumes 20% less power in games and runs 22 degrees cooler at max (both with stock coolers)/ R5 3600 is quieter i5-10400F+upcoming H410 motherboards will put it in the same price range as the R5 3600 i5-10400F is recommended for gaming, and R5 3600 if you need it for other tasks This is neat and this boggle my mind how Intel processor hold on its own with much higher nanometer (should be hotter and consume more power) against newest Processor by AMD in gaming, Do you think Intel might come back huge with its Mateorlake processor in 2022 or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender487 Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 z170 is un available right now now how should i upgrade shift to ryzen and is ryzen 2700 good ? already have rx 480 6600k z170 i guess i cant use them any more mobo not availble can any body please suggest an upgrade for 50k right now pc is not at a stable condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanjosh Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 what do u want to upgrade exactly? only cpu + mobo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtek Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Defender487 said: z170 is un available right now now how should i upgrade shift to ryzen and is ryzen 2700 good ? already have rx 480 6600k z170 i guess i cant use them any more mobo not availble can any body please suggest an upgrade for 50k right now pc is not at a stable condition Can offer 3700X and X570 Aorus Elite well under your budget if you're just looking to upgrade the CPU+Mobo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender487 Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 hours ago, dylanjosh said: what do u want to upgrade exactly? only cpu + mobo? yeah but it will take up as whole ram older psu might not gonna b stable wid new mobo n ram i got 2400hz speed ones 8gb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 13 hours ago, kemosabe said: This is neat and this boggle my mind how Intel processor hold on its own with much higher nanometer (should be hotter and consume more power) against newest Processor by AMD in gaming, Do you think Intel might come back huge with its Mateorlake processor in 2022 or later Intel CPUs already beat AMD but compatible boards are expensive. Once we have mid range, it will be good competition. Upcoming Intel CPUs will be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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