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1 hour ago, adity said:

What do you think made it edgy? 

 

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This just makes it look like you don't have an answer yourself dude.

I already mentioned in my previous post why I think the movie is edgy.

It pretends to be deep and profound but it's not, much like an edgy teen. It smugly thinks it exposes society's hypocrisies in the creation of a villain like the Joker but its attempt at that is just juvenile. Again much like those edgy Joker memes.

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This just makes it look like you don't have an answer yourself dude.
I already mentioned in my previous post why I think the movie is edgy.
It pretends to be deep and profound but it's not, much like an edgy teen. It smugly thinks it exposes society's hypocrisies in the creation of a villain like the Joker but its attempt at that is just juvenile. Again much like those edgy Joker memes.
Why do you think it's trying to expose society and had a deeper social message going on.. Its a movie just enjoy it for it what it is..

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23 minutes ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

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This just makes it look like you don't have an answer yourself dude.

I already mentioned in my previous post why I think the movie is edgy.

It pretends to be deep and profound but it's not, much like an edgy teen. It smugly thinks it exposes society's hypocrisies in the creation of a villain like the Joker but its attempt at that is just juvenile. Again much like those edgy Joker memes.

There is some social commentary but it's still a character study and is always focused on Arthur. Not sure what's edgy about a mentally ill not getting the help he needs and being driven to insanity. 

It's also pretty consistent with how mental illnesses are not taken as seriously as they should be even today. Is that edgy for you? I honestly don't think you know what edgy means. 

And is edgy isn't automatically bad anyways. Tyler Durden is edgy af and is still a great character in a great movie. I think edgy has become just a catch all phrase for whatever old people are not able to understand. 

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13 minutes ago, sobbii said:

Why do you think it's trying to expose society and had a deeper social message going on.. Its a movie just enjoy it for it what it is..

 

Because it attempts and pretends to do exactly that?

The basic plot of the movie itself is how society shapes the transformation of a mentally ill guy into a villain. Of course it is trying to say something about society. It literally has the character spell it out in the end. He says something along the lines of, "This is what happens when you throw a mentally ill loner into a bad society". I'm paraphrasing here.

If you just go back a few pages in this thread itself, you will see how even people who like the movie are themselves calling it deep.

So why should I not ask for what that depth is which everybody seems to be so enamored by?

 

Your question is like asking someone who's complaining about bad action in an action movie why he's expecting there to be good action in it.

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9 minutes ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

Because it attempts and pretends to do exactly that?

The basic plot of the movie itself is how society shapes the transformation of a mentally ill guy into a villain. Of course it is trying to say something about society. It literally has the character spell it out in the end. He says something along the lines of, "This is what happens when you throw a mentally ill loner into a bad society". I'm paraphrasing here.

If you just go back a few pages in this thread itself, you will see how even people who like the movie are themselves calling it deep.

So why should I not ask for what that depth is which everybody seems to be so enamored by?

 

Your question is like asking someone who's complaining about bad action in an action movie why he's expecting there to be good action in it.

It shows how a mentally ill dude becomes a villain and does a great job at that. What depth are you looking for here? It is not going to change your life or have you exit the theater with an existential crisis. What are you not understanding about all this? 

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17 minutes ago, adity said:

There is some social commentary but it's still a character study and is always focused on Arthur. Not sure what's edgy about a mentally ill not getting the help he needs and being driven to insanity. 

It's also pretty consistent with how mental illnesses are not taken as seriously as they should be even today. Is that edgy for you? I honestly don't think you know what edgy means. 

And is edgy isn't automatically bad anyways. Tyler Durden is edgy af and is still a great character in a great movie. I think edgy has become just a catch all phrase for whatever old people are not able to understand. 

 

There is a big attempt at social commentary and it fails at it. The thing about movies is, when you try something and fail at it, it just makes you look bad. Case in point, bollywood action movies.

And again, I didn't say the character itself was edgy. The movie is edgy and I already told you why. It's all the pretense of being deep and profound coming from a child.

And yes, edgy can be good as well as bad. This is the bad kind.

 

3 minutes ago, adity said:

It shows how a mentally ill dude becomes a villain and does a great job at that. What depth are you looking for here? It is not going to change your life or have you exit the theater with an existential crisis. What are you not understanding about all this? 

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Dude, you yourself told me in the previous page that I didn't understand the movie if I didn't find any depth in it.

Now you're saying I should not expect any depth. So what is it? Depth or no depth?

 

You seem to be as confused about the movie as the movie is about itself.

 

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Just now, STICK3Rboy said:

 

There is a big attempt at social commentary and it fails at it. The thing about movies is, when you try something and fail at it, it just makes you look bad. Case in point, bollywood action movies.

And again, I didn't say the character itself was edgy. The movie is edgy and I already told you why. It's all the pretense of being deep and profound coming from a child.

And yes, edgy can be good as well as bad. This is the bad kind.

 

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Dude, you yourself told me in the previous page that I didn't understand the movie if I didn't find any depth in it.

Now you're saying I should not expect any depth. So what is it? Depth or no depth?

I am just not sure what you were expecting from it and why you think it failed at it? I went in expecting seeing a Joker origin story and got that. It was lacking in some places but was generally very satisfying. What do you think it failed at? 

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19 minutes ago, adity said:

I am just not sure what you were expecting from it and why you think it failed at it? I went in expecting seeing a Joker origin story and got that. It was lacking in some places but was generally very satisfying. What do you think it failed at? 

 

You still haven't answered what depth you saw in the movie (you even did a casual 180 on it), while I'm answering all your questions.

I feel like there's no point in answering them at this point.

 

And honestly, it should be the DC fans who should be up in arms about getting a juvenile and bollywood-like origin story for a character such as the Joker.

But it looks like most of you can't see past the admittedly great performance from Phoenix. That is fine. Like I said in my initial post, even I was entertained by the movie and thought it was decent.

It's just all the #2deep4u claims (and the movie's own pretensions) that make me focus more on the depth of the movie, which is just not there.

 

 

 

 

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Saw Joker. It’s a movie 15 year old me would have enjoyed; a decade and half later tho, Boring af. 

 

Cinematography is great and Qwa-Queen Phoenix acted well, but it’s hard to feign excitement when the act is basically Linkin Park with volume turned down.  

 

Abused childhood is the most cliched reasoning you could have, and then they threw in some Marxian commentary make it ‘seem’ layered. 

 

At best this movie can be watched at home interspersed with breaks to not drown yourself with boredom; not a theatre movie by any means. 

 

A solid 4.5/10 

(5 if it leads to an entertaining mass shooting in ‘Merica) 

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17 hours ago, Playstationdude said:

Bitch, what's wrong with Linkin Park. :slap:

 

Absolutely nothing from acoustic and melodic perspective, but you gotta realise the lyrics are whiny af. 

 

Which is great for its demography, not hating on that. But one Has to grow out of it.

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A question to Joker lovers (man that sounds wrong)-

 

Why is this Joker threatening ? Like what makes him someone I'd fear running into a dark alley ? Ledger's joker was a criminal mastermind (well, relatively) and proficient with weapons. Nicholson was a straight up mob boss who liked to wear makeup. 

 

Phoneix is an emaciated retard with a laugh. How am i to believe he's gonna stand along ra's, or penguin; let alone batman. At no point do we see him being having resources or charm. Yeah he is "crazy", but after the first element of surprise someone will overpower and tie him up; then what ?

 

I was half hoping him wearing the full suit/face paint would mean a split personality that shows the shades of B:TAS joker, but nope. It still played out as an emo teen fantasy.  

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11 hours ago, dante77 said:

Saw In the tall grass. I liked it, don't know why so many negative reviews. Its kinda like Triangle. It at least kept me glued throughout.

Yeah, decent watch. Nothing exceptional though. 

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I don’t really know what to say about the Joker 

 

The acting is obviously Oscar worthy 

but I don’t think it was a strong script 

 

it totally depended on the struggling madness of the character & the actor playing it 

 

It just didn’t have any valid “bad day” to turn him into the Joker as we know from DCU 

 

Bad parenting 

Struggling Poverty 

Low Self Confidence 

Aimless desires 

 

isn’t all this what 95% of the world population is suffering from anyway 

 

how does it make him stand out as the one guy who had that ‘bad day’ to turn him into the character we saw in Dark Knight 

 

At one point it did make sense

 

when the fatherhood is revealed

but even that was dropped in favour of other mishaps 

 

Plus so many things untying with the DCU like the death of Wayne Family 

& Joker’s true Identity out in the open & on national news 

 

i mean no one was supposed to know who Arthur was & what his back story really was 

 

& Lastly but most importantly 

the Joker character in DC was never delusional or senile

he was mentally sick in his own way but very very sharp & a mastermind

 

It shouldn’t have been part of the Batman Universe at all 

Maybe then it would have been judged on its own merits & demerits 

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