The Football Thread

[hope]

comeback ? he still was sh*t . Couldn't even stand up properly , kept on falling . Poor positioning too as always

hao and aguero,dzeko and tevez each scored hat ricks.kyun.

[Cash]

Its true. He was going down very very easily.

[Man In The Box]

Great experience at Villa Park on Saturday. I must say Arsenal's away crowd is really good and they love Santi Cazolra ! Villa fans were magnificient as well despite the stadium not being filled to full capacity.

 

Koscielny missed a sitter !

 

[ceosam]

Chelsea were pretty listless today. and though it was nice to see him try, Torres just isn't playing upto his potential here.

We need to get him another striker, maybe a fellow Spaniard (Villa ) or anyone. We can't win the league with our present team.

 

If only we had won that match against MU. the slump seems to have started then.

[NitroNeo]

Torres thinks of himself as a eagle but flops like a butterfly , he has to know where he stands instead of seeing his old image in the mirror , he gets caught offside too many times & other times he can't control the ball , his hotheadedness showed his frustration at himself according to me , this is what we get for keeping faith in him week in & out

[ceosam]

Torres thinks of himself as a eagle but flops like a butterfly , he has to know where he stands instead of seeing his old image in the mirror , he gets caught offside too many times & other times he can't control the ball , his hotheadedness showed his frustration at himself according to me , this is what we get for keeping faith in him week in & out

 

True that. He either needs to go, which I doubt, or be helped with a second striker in the next transfer window. I have a gut feeling he'll be amazing with Villa.

[rockstarnet]

Dempsey was class yesterday :majesty:/>/>

 

 

Sandro currently has more interceptions than any other player in the EPL, tallying 48 in total - Opta

Edited November 26, 2012 by rockstarnet

[Nemo]

Meh, I dont get the negativity. First all berate rafa and then expect him to do wonders on his first match in charge, against the defending champions no less.

 

We likely would have lost without the manager change because I strongly suspect we would have conceded. Thought the defending yesterday was noticeably tighter than in previous matches.

 

Man City is good. They remind me a lot of us in the Mourinho days. Big, strong, fast. Lots of midfield fouls that with the ref really enabled them to slow us down on the times we were about to catch them on the break. If we aren't going to win the league (we aren't) then we need to get points like this against the other top sides and stay in the top 4. Remember boys, we weren't in the top 4 last year.

 

Our owner wants us to play like Barca, but the reality is we remind me a whole lot more of Arsenal these days than Barca. Pretty little passes, no finishing ability, no one in the box who can attack headers. Add in a leaky defense and you have a recipe for losing games like yesterday. But we didn't lose. We drew. Against the defending champs. It's not a disaster.

 

Jury is out on tubby. Used the same lineup as Robbie, so nothing concrete yet aside from better defense and better result than lately.

 

All in all, I'll take the point. It's about the only thing that has gone half right at the club this month.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Nemo

[NitroNeo]

I Agree on that , yesterday defense was alot better , luiz did a good job , Azpi didn't panic , during crowded situations in box we defended well , if it was thee old confused chelsea , we would have been beaten 2-0 or so , but i guess rain helped us a bit , as players didn't have control over the ball & fouls though were a double edged sword , could have benefited us but at least we didn't concede a goal from them all i know is torres is playing like it's the italian league , he needs to be quick or else we can never score , hazard doesn't look confident to score

 

Having ramirez , oscar , mata , hazard at once on field is a bad idea , insert marin in the midfield & bring ramirez & hazard as subs , hazard for me would be a better impact player introduced after 65 or so minutes

[gooner4life]

Maybe overseas chelsea fans can't understand why their own fans at Stamford Bridge hate Rafa so much because they are gloryhunters? You guys don't care about what Rafa said about you in the past & that he was a manager of one your rivals..

 

Chelsea is the type of football club which makes you hate everything about the game nowadays...

 

Fans don't care about DiMatteo getting sacked just 6 months after he won an FA cup & UCL & not only that, he has played over 100 times for your team too, so his association goes way further than just being the Assistant Manager & then Manager. Any other club would hate the owner if they did behave the way Roman did & disrespected a fan favorite like Di Matteo but Chelsea fans know they are nothing without Roman Abramovich so they can't really criticize him, they pure breed gloryhunters, nothing else.

[Keano]

Fans don't care about DiMatteo getting sacked just 6 months after he won an FA cup & UCL & not only that, he has played over 100 times for your team too, so his association goes way further than just being the Assistant Manager & then Manager. Any other club would hate the owner if they did behave the way Roman did & disrespected a fan favorite like Di Matteo but Chelsea fans know they are nothing without Roman Abramovich so they can't really criticize him, they pure breed gloryhunters, nothing else.

 

lots of Arsenal fans(some on this forum too) were asking for Wenger to be out since last few years whenever Arsenal fail to win against the title rivals(happens very often). After what Wenger did for Arsenal .. how different are these from the ones you are talking about ?

Every club has its share of muppets .. you talking sh*t about the entire fan base because some of the lot are ok with Rafa at the helm ? its not like that the entire stadium were singing Rafa songs yesterday.

 

edit : Is it me or does anyone else feel that gooner4life posts sh*t about other teams more than what he posts about his team?

Edited November 26, 2012 by Keano

[Keano]

Former Chelsea and Manchester United manager Dave Sexton has died, aged 82.

 

RIP

 

Obviously losing him is more significant to Chelsea fans I'd assume.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Keano

[Nemo]

@gooner

 

Trying too hard :console:/>

 

oh and btw, being a home or over seas supporter has nothing to do with my support for benitez. Being pure bred west londoner does not make one a 'better' supporter. Its the notion of putting the team above personal prejudices that makes one a better supporter. Benitez and cheslea have had a history, none of it good but he is now the manager and like it or not, people who really like the club ought to back him as his performance directly co-relates with the team's, and the results on the pitch is what should be paramount, not the player, not the owner, not the manager.. but the club and its performance on the pitch.

 

I started supporting chelsea in the season before roman came, which was my first ever introduction to club level football, i like color blue, loved zola's play and the final day's heroics of the club over liverpool finally won me over. but i see no wrong in people who started supporting the club after roman and jose came, unless you happen to be born in a football powered league country, you will obviously look for an overseas team, and, beat your chest all you want, no one is going to start support a team who does not win anything.

 

In fact calling majority of chelsea supporters glory hunter reflects the sad notion of elitism that arsenal fans like you desperately hang by to enclose your self in a moral high ground, refusing to accept the fall of your club's once prevailing superiority to mediocrity (lack of trophies and because of it the exodus of top talent in their prime- cole, fabregas, clichy, nasri, rvp) and believing your club and its supporters are saints and that it some how makes up for the lack of recent success on the pitch.

 

Yes we back Roman, and its true that with out him we would not have the success we had in the last 9 years. Its also true that had his travel plans been altered by a few kilo meters here and there, it could have been fullham or west ham enjoying this success, but it did not. He stuck by us and that is one alignment of stars we are glad to have happened. He is present in nearly all home matches, takes a personal interest in club's performance (some times a little too personal as seen by his impulse of bringing in sheva and torres but that is the side effect one has to bear to be able to have the financial backing), doesnt treat the club as just another way to make momey- he could have sold it at any time after establishing cfc as a global brand but he put up even when we were running financial losses, hell he wrote the club debts as his own.

 

Asking chelsea fans to feel ashamed of liking their owner is just a way your manager has brain washed the fans to direct their frustrations due to lack of results else where.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Nemo

[Nemo]

Former Chelsea and Manchester United manager Dave Sexton has died, aged 82.

 

RIP

 

Obviously losing him is more significant to Chelsea fans I'd assume.

 

chelsea players were wearing black arm bands last night. Never saw him in charge, obviously but its a sad day when some one associated this close to the club passes away.

 

 

 

edit : Is it me or does anyone else feel that gooner4life posts sh*t about other teams more than what he posts about his team?

 

not really surprising, considering the two most talking points regarding arsenal in last half a decade have been fabregas and rvp leaving.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Nemo

[gooner4life]

lots of Arsenal fans(some on this forum too) were asking for Wenger to be out since last few years whenever Arsenal fail to win against the title rivals(happens very often). After what Wenger did for Arsenal .. how different are these from the ones you are talking about ?

Every club has its share of muppets .. you talking sh*t about the entire fan base because some of the lot are ok with Rafa at the helm ? its not like that the entire stadium were singing Rafa songs yesterday.

 

edit : Is it me or does anyone else feel that gooner4life posts sh*t about other teams more than what he posts about his team?

 

It's a totally different thing. But if you are saying every club has its fair share of muppets, then you are right but chelsea fans have a slightly larger proportion.. How many times have you seen a Chelsea fan say wrong about Terry or criticize the club in how they falsely accused someone else of racial abuse. Not wrong to see club/player did wrong in that.

 

And I am an Arsenal fan, that doesnt mean I cant post about other things happening in EPL.. Focus on the topic/matter rather than who is posting what & how much.. And anyways Arsenal normally doesnt get embroiled in controversies that much apart from the trophyless period we are going in. And I also criticized those fans who wanted AW out on this forum.

[Stevie G]

Rafa Benitez (to Sky Sports): "I didn't hear the crowd. I wasn't listening. I was focusing on the game."

 

Rafa will enjoy the hate

[gooner4life]

@gooner

 

Trying too hard :console:/>/>

 

oh and btw, being a home or over seas supporter has nothing to do with my support for benitez. Being pure bred west londoner does not make one a 'better' supporter. Its the notion of putting the team above personal prejudices that makes one a better supporter. Benitez and cheslea have had a history, none of it good but he is now the manager and like it or not, people who really like the club ought to back him as his performance directly co-relates with the team's, and the results on the pitch is what should be paramount, not the player, not the owner, not the manager.. but the club and its performance on the pitch.

 

I started supporting chelsea in the season before roman came, which was my first ever introduction to club level football, i like color blue, loved zola's play and the final day's heroics of the club over liverpool finally won me over. but i see no wrong in people who started supporting the club after roman and jose came, unless you happen to be born in a football powered league country, you will obviously look for an overseas team, and, beat your chest all you want, no one is going to start support a team who does not win anything.

 

In fact calling majority of chelsea supporters glory hunter reflects the sad notion of elitism that arsenal fans like you desperately hang by to enclose your self in a moral high ground, refusing to accept the fall of your club's once prevailing superiority to mediocrity (lack of trophies and because of it the exodus of top talent in their prime- cole, fabregas, clichy, nasri, rvp) and believing your club and its supporters are saints and that it some how makes up for the lack of recent success on the pitch.

 

Yes we back Roman, and its true that with out him we would not have the success we had in the last 9 years. Its also true that had his travel plans been altered by a few kilo meters here and there, it could have been fullham or west ham enjoying this success, but it did not. He stuck by us and that is one alignment of stars we are glad to have happened. He is present in nearly all home matches, takes a personal interest in club's performance (some times a little too personal as seen by his impulse of bringing in sheva and torres but that is the side effect one has to bear to be able to have the financial backing), doesnt treat the club as just another way to make momey- he could have sold it at any time after establishing cfc as a global brand but he put up even when we were running financial losses, hell he wrote the club debts as his own.

 

Asking chelsea fans to feel ashamed of liking their owner is just a way your manager has brain washed the fans to direct their frustrations due to lack of results else where.

 

Putting words in my mouth, I never said that. And this whole notion that just because Benitez has become the manager, no one should criticize him is pure bullshit. Club made a mistake in appointing him, so make them hear that they have done wrong & you don't like him at the helm of the club. It's like Arsenal putting Rednapp as the manager, arsenal fans would never tolerate it.

 

Mediocrity? We are not as good as once we used to be but that doesnt mean the club has become 'mediocre'. Much higher league position than your very own club last season kind of shows that and finishing 3-4th every season in a league of 20 teams can never be termed as mediocre!

 

What lack of results? Arsenal has the 4th highest wage bill in EPL right now & have had for some seasons now & we consistently finish 3-4 every time. Have a net spending which is in the -ve, have finished in a UCL final, twice semi final & CC final in the last 7 years, we didn't win any of these sadly but that doesnt mean there has been 'lack of results' on part of AW. It's like blaming David Moyes for not making Everton get into top 4. Fans expectations are more related to the history of the club(mainly the early AW era) than the ground reality that unless we also have a sugar daddy at the helm, it is always going to be difficult to compete with clubs like Chelsea/City.

 

It's a testament to AW's ability that he has allowed us to be competitive while working under such financial restrictions which have come due to self-financing the stadium.

 

Easier for Chelsea fans to say that it's just 'luck' that Abramovich chose us & made us into what we are, but that doesn't mean it's fair for other clubs to work in the kind of enviornment that clubs like yours have created. Having a wage-to-tunrover ratio of 70-80% plus spending humongous amounts of money on transfers every season, is nothing less than doping which happens in athletics & unfairly helps someone to win & some other guy who worked hard honestly to lose.

[Keano]

It's a totally different thing. But if you are saying every club has its fair share of muppets, then you are right but chelsea fans have a slightly larger proportion.. How many times have you seen a Chelsea fan say wrong about Terry or criticize the club in how they falsely accused someone else of racial abuse. Not wrong to see club/player did wrong in that.

 

I dont think I can answer this one as I hate Terry myself. But when the issue comes to a United player, Will I hate Giggs coz he shagged his brothers love ? NO .. thats his personal life and we all should remember that these players are human after all and are bound to make one/two mistakes on and off the pitch. Henry ? rings bells ?

 

 

And I am an Arsenal fan, that doesnt mean I cant post about other things happening in EPL.. Focus on the topic/matter rather than who is posting what & how much.. And anyways Arsenal normally doesnt get embroiled in controversies that much apart from the trophyless period we are going in. And I also criticized those fans who wanted AW out on this forum.

 

You can post things about other teams .. but the problem is you(cant think of anyone else who does this .. maybe hope, but thats a different case) ONLY post sh*t about other teams. Just check at your response to your team dropping points at Villa Park.

 

Why do you drop silly points Arsenal, WHY?!?!?! :cry:/>/>/>/>

 

At the same time, you've been going around posting sh*t(check last few pages) about other teams.

You post more trash about United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs than what what you post about Arsenal. I'd be surprised if anyone besides you thinks this is not the case. If the sole reason of you posting here is to instigate a war of words - you are doing a great job !

[NitroNeo]

@annoying posters here

 

I respect arsenal even though i am a chelsea supporter , i don't go on hating the club just because some arsenal fans talk sh!t about us , i am not ok with roman running the show but the question does arise that whether he wanted di mateo in the first place , i guess winning the UCL extended his stay , my guess is roman wanted to bring pep or someone else in june but couldn't go against a hero who won us the UCL , IMO Di Mateo should have stayed & should have had his chance to develop his own style , but in sports this happens these days , as coroporates run the show

 

Here is a example :

 

LA Lakers :

 

Number of head coaches 2004-2012 : 6

Number of head coaches 2011-2012 : 3

 

Chicago Bulls :

 

Number of head coaches 2001-2010 : 8

Number of head coaches 2007-2010 : 4

 

Arsenal FC :

 

Number of Managers Feb 1995-Sep 1996 : 4 [ 2 on them were only there on the job for a month ]

 

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. :

 

Number of Managers 2001-2012 : 9 [ including AVB ]

 

AFC Ajax :

 

Number of Managers 1999-2010 : 12 [ average of 1 per year , except Ronald Koeman who lasted 4 years ]

 

PSV Eindhoven :

 

Number of Managers 1998-2012 : 11

 

FC Bayern Munich :

 

Number of Managers 2004-2012 : 7

 

There will surely be more teams with rapid manager/coach sacks , i ain't going deep into that & this is no reason to hate a team , low-ki teams get away with it , Chelsea i guess get attention coz of the high profile owner & a good winning record

 

Chelsea play fair [ don't bring some stupid point into this ] , and defensive football is a form of football , if the other team can't break the defense then it's their problem , they need to do their homework , some teams can do that some can't , so anyone who still whines about chelsea this , chelsea that STFU

[Nemo]

 

Mediocrity? We are not as good as once we used to be but that doesnt mean the club has become 'mediocre'. Much higher league position than your very own club last season kind of shows that and finishing 3-4th every season in a league of 20 teams can never be termed as mediocre!

 

Sorry, but only trophies count.

 

What lack of results? Arsenal has the 4th highest wage bill in EPL right now & have had for some seasons now & we consistently finish 3-4 every time. Have a net spending which is in the -ve, have finished in a UCL final, twice semi final & CC final in the last 7 years, we didn't win any of these sadly but that doesnt mean there has been 'lack of results' on part of AW. It's like blaming David Moyes for not making Everton get into top 4. Fans expectations are more related to the history of the club(mainly the early AW era) than the ground reality that unless we also have a sugar daddy at the helm, it is always going to be difficult to compete with clubs like Chelsea/City.

Like you said expectations vary, you cant fault chelsea owner to have a ruthless winning minded approach. And who are you to say sacking di matteo was a bad decision, the "show faith in a manager for his time will come" speech is last thing some one wants to hear from a supporter who's club has pretty much abused the whole concept of stability, turning it into a joke. I would not have wanted RDM to be sacked but its also true that we were on a free fall, 10 games without a clean sheet, a month without a win in PL, all but out of CL and were looking clue less. Only thing that was going for di matteo was that he had not lost the dressing room as scholari and AVB did, and for that he could have been given more time, but roman took his call and it is his nature. You cant expect all owners to be patient.

 

It's a testament to AW's ability that he has allowed us to be competitive while working under such financial restrictions which have come due to self-financing the stadium.

 

Easier for Chelsea fans to say that it's just 'luck' that Abramovich chose us & made us into what we are, but that doesn't mean it's fair for other clubs to work in the kind of enviornment that clubs like yours have created. Having a wage-to-tunrover ratio of 70-80% plus spending humongous amounts of money on transfers every season, is nothing less than doping which happens in athletics & unfairly helps someone to win & some other guy who worked hard honestly to lose.

DOPING ?? you seriously compared financial advantage to doping ? not access to better trainers, support staff, nutrition and equipments but doping. You really are butt hurt. So you mean to say that chelsea players did not work hard to win 3 pl, 1 ucl, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in the past 9 years, that roman just showed up and threw his rubles around to get them ? damn ..