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[Big Boss]

48 minutes ago, Felix the cat said:

I remember one incident from my childhood.There was a family in my neighborhood,uncle aunty and they have two sons.

The yonger one ran away with a girl and they got married.

When they returned same chutiyapa,both families disagree even when both families known each other very well.

After some days girl hanged herself bcs her father is against the marriage and he refused to accept it.

But twist came when girl's father file dowry charges against boys family.

Accusing them for demanding dowry and make it the reason of her suicide.

 

Whole family got banged up instantly without any investigation.

They remained in jail for almost two years.

After two years girls father asked for huge sums of money from them and took the charges back.

 

And thats not just two years of theire life that got ruined,uncle cought into a bad depression,they faced humiliation in the society,financial problems. I think its way too much for any innocent and honest family.

 

But i think lawmakers makes dowry act this much strict bcs first of all this practise has strong and deep roots in our society which is very difficult to eradicate.and secondly the ratio of dowry incidents and crime bcs of it, whether its assault or numbers of cases of burning alive is way too much than the cases which i have described above.

And it seems to be the only way to put to an end to this practise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The dowry death law is absolutely horrible.

Any unnatural death of wife within 7 years of marriage can be converted into dowry death if her parents want to make quick buck. Police arrest the husband and his family and as per evidence act section 113B, husband and his family are presumed guilty. So they have to prove their innocence and not other way around. 

And this dowry custom can be easily stopped if people giving dowry are also arrested and jailed as it's a crime under dp act. But it doesn't happen in reality.

Also, conviction rate in dowry harassment law 498a is merely 5-6%, and supreme court had termed it legal terrorism in 2008. But nothing has been done to curb it's misuse. Even f**king Bangladesh added misuse clause in their dowry law in 2015 when they found that it's an easy tool fot extortion. Just a simple Google search of most misused law in India will give you the results.

 

I completely blame society for this. If laws are created based on emotions instead of using checks and balances, they are going to be misused.  Almost every martial dispute is nowadays turned into criminal case and then the cases continue endlessly. 498a is like a huge industry, probably one of the biggest and most lucrative in India. At least since 2014 arrests are somewhat reduced, before that it was nightmare. Even 6 month old babies were named in dowry harassment complaints and people had to take bail

 

You can watch martyrs of Marriage documentary on YouTube (though that documentary itself is source of controversy as the maker was threatened of legal action by some participants and got their footages removed)

[Felix the cat]

50 minutes ago, Right said:

 

Pehn ke bahar nikalna hai?

 

Hold my Chawanprash

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Bro i was talking about people like us...

Aam insan bro.

 

[Houndini]

9 hours ago, gecko89 said:

That's definitely fake, but does happen a lot.

 

On the flip side, I was rejected by a proposal for being too tall :/ 

Tell them being tall has its benefits: https://reddit.com/r/StandingCarryf**k/best

[SpearHea:D]

19 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

Tell them being tall has its benefits: https://reddit.com/r/StandingCarryf**k/best

But yeah, that sub is gold along with gonewild.

[SpearHea:D]

 

[KnackChap]

 

Indian Judiciary 

[SpearHea:D]

Ek to Inki summer aur winter vacation band honi chahiye. 

 

In todays world money is power, those who have it can get away with as per their will. Rightly quoted by a judicial guy " court mei insaaf nahi hota bas chakkar lagte hai " . Biggest sh*t machinery where simple cases like tenant not paying rent and not evacuating the building takes years. 498a misuse ke to kya hi kehne.

 

[rushab oswal]

36 minutes ago, KnackChap said:

 

Indian Judiciary 

I read that court said "10-12 crores is not that big of a fraud to not allow them to leave country" something like that? Did they really say this??
BC yaha RCM time pe nae bharo toh interest lagayenge aur notice bhejenge wo alagse .

[rushab oswal]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

No that was clickbait. tamatar had posted the actual news a page or two back.

Well they did say something on the line. Actual qoute below.

Quote

Delhi High Court says that Ayyub has old parents here in India. "Mr. Raju (ASG), its not that the financial frauds run into thousands of crores, they are 10 12 crores", Justice CD Singh says.

 

[Big Boss]

53 minutes ago, rushab oswal said:

Well they did say something on the line. Actual qoute below.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Context 

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/delhi-high-court-quashes-loc-against-journalist-rana-ayyub-195777?infinitescroll=1

What was reported was court room conversation where judge said she has old parents and amount is not that high.

However, the actual order doesn't include these statements. It only talks about right to freedom and liberty etc. That is why people shouldn't take court conversations seriously. 

[rushab oswal]

35 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

 

What was reported was court room conversation where judge said she has old parents and amount is not that high.

However, the actual order doesn't include these statements. It only talks about right to freedom and liberty etc. That is why people shouldn't take court conversations seriously. 

Why will the actual order include any statments XD

 

52 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Context 

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/delhi-high-court-quashes-loc-against-journalist-rana-ayyub-195777?infinitescroll=1

Im not saying what the court did was right/wrong.

But casually saying its 10-12 crores does sit right XD

I mean would you get that privilege ?

[radicaldude]

 

 

 

 

[Felix the cat]

15 hours ago, Big Boss said:

The dowry death law is absolutely horrible.

Any unnatural death of wife within 7 years of marriage can be converted into dowry death if her parents want to make quick buck. Police arrest the husband and his family and as per evidence act section 113B, husband and his family are presumed guilty. So they have to prove their innocence and not other way around. 

And this dowry custom can be easily stopped if people giving dowry are also arrested and jailed as it's a crime under dp act. But it doesn't happen in reality.

Also, conviction rate in dowry harassment law 498a is merely 5-6%, and supreme court had termed it legal terrorism in 2008. But nothing has been done to curb it's misuse. Even f**king Bangladesh added misuse clause in their dowry law in 2015 when they found that it's an easy tool fot extortion. Just a simple Google search of most misused law in India will give you the results.

 

I completely blame society for this. If laws are created based on emotions instead of using checks and balances, they are going to be misused.  Almost every martial dispute is nowadays turned into criminal case and then the cases continue endlessly. 498a is like a huge industry, probably one of the biggest and most lucrative in India. At least since 2014 arrests are somewhat reduced, before that it was nightmare. Even 6 month old babies were named in dowry harassment complaints and people had to take bail

 

You can watch martyrs of Marriage documentary on YouTube (though that documentary itself is source of controversy as the maker was threatened of legal action by some participants and got their footages removed)

It would be a stupid move if giving dowry is punishable.

Bcs then chances of filing a case would become very rare. Nobody will file a case in that case.

And dowry practise would keep flourishing and more importantly it would flare up the harrasment and assault cases, bcs it would give free hand and works as a jackpot for assailants. 

Beating and torture happened after the marriage just bcs groom's family wants more in dowry, basically these type of cases are in majority. 

 

Now tell me how anyone would file a case against them if the brides family already committed a crime according to the law by giving dowry in the first place?

 

Although I agree with you. No doubt, this law need to be updated. Its a necessity

[Big Boss]

39 minutes ago, Felix the cat said:

It would be a stupid move if giving dowry is punishable.

Bcs then chances of filing a case would become very rare. Nobody will file a case in that case.

And dowry practise would keep flourishing and more importantly it would flare up the harrasment and assault cases, bcs it would give free hand and works as a jackpot for assailants. 

Beating and torture happened after the marriage just bcs groom's family wants more in dowry, basically these type of cases are in majority. 

 

Now tell me how anyone would file a case against them if the brides family already committed a crime according to the law by giving dowry in the first place?

 

Although I agree with you. No doubt, this law need to be updated. Its a necessity

 

Giving dowry is a already a punishable offense. Just that police don't take action on the dowry givers. There are many cases where bride's side beat up husband for refusing to take dowry, because giving dowry was prestige issue in many many communities.

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/indian-groom-beaten-by-in-laws-after-refusing-dowry

 

Unless giving and taking dowry both is discouraged, nothing will change.

 

Also this harassment due to dowry demand doesn't happen in reality. It's just a copy pasted template complaint. Those days are long over. Even the flipkart founder was booked in 498a, 11 years after marriage. His wife said he was demanding something like 10 lakh dowry. Imagine a billionaire asking for dowry. Later it was found that his wife and his sister are already involved in property dispute and civil suite was filed. Then wife filed 498a to pressurise them.

 

Lalkrishna Advani was booked in 498a. Shoaib Malik was booked by a random Hyderabadi woman in 498a. Yes, Pakistani cricketer was booked into 498a by Indian woman. Thoughts and prayers with Glen Maxwell lol. Mohammad Shami was booked in 498a and he attempted suicide thrice. Anil kumble's wife filed 498a on her ex husband Kumar Jagirdar who fought till supreme court to get and win custody of his child.

Do you think these guys harassed their wives for dowry? 

 

The poster child of anti dowry movement Nisha Sharma, who even went to Oprah Winfrey show, was hailed as modern woman of India because she refused giving dowry and sent back husband and his family from marriage hall. After 11 years court acquitted her husband and mentioned that complaint was false, as she was against marriage due to an affair and wanted to marry her bf, but her family forced her to marry.

The real kicker? She herself and her family was booked in 498a by her brother's wife in 2013 or something

 

 

[Felix the cat]

28 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

 

Also this harassment due to dowry demand doesn't happen in reality. It's just a copy pasted template complaint. Those days are long over. 

Mate you took me wrong, i have already said that i agree with you on the misuse part of this law.and it needs to be updated

I was just pointing out the issues which might be the main reason why indian lawmakers has to make such bizzare laws.

 

dont take me wrong but are you sure, those days are long overreally 

Think again bro,maybe those days was long gone in urban areas,yes,

But its a huge prblm in rural india, which formed more than 68% of our countrys population.

 

[kruzzo]

44 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

Giving dowry is a already a punishable offense. Just that police don't take action on the dowry givers. There are many cases where bride's side beat up husband for refusing to take dowry, because giving dowry was prestige issue in many many communities.

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/indian-groom-beaten-by-in-laws-after-refusing-dowry

 

Unless giving and taking dowry both is discouraged, nothing will change.

 

Also this harassment due to dowry demand doesn't happen in reality. It's just a copy pasted template complaint. Those days are long over. Even the flipkart founder was booked in 498a, 11 years after marriage. His wife said he was demanding something like 10 lakh dowry. Imagine a billionaire asking for dowry. Later it was found that his wife and his sister are already involved in property dispute and civil suite was filed. Then wife filed 498a to pressurise them.

 

Lalkrishna Advani was booked in 498a. Shoaib Malik was booked by a random Hyderabadi woman in 498a. Yes, Pakistani cricketer was booked into 498a by Indian woman. Thoughts and prayers with Glen Maxwell lol. Mohammad Shami was booked in 498a and he attempted suicide thrice. Anil kumble's wife filed 498a on her ex husband Kumar Jagirdar who fought till supreme court to get and win custody of his child.

Do you think these guys harassed their wives for dowry? 

 

The poster child of anti dowry movement Nisha Sharma, who even went to Oprah Winfrey show, was hailed as modern woman of India because she refused giving dowry and sent back husband and his family from marriage hall. After 11 years court acquitted her husband and mentioned that complaint was false, as she was against marriage due to an affair and wanted to marry her bf, but her family forced her to marry.

The real kicker? She herself and her family was booked in 498a by her brother's wife in 2013 or something

 

 

Harassment due to dowry demand is still wide spread, it happened to one of my relatives, educated corporate job guy abandoning the wife and kid with full support from his parents because the girl refused to ask dowry from her family.

 

I was of the same opinion that the laws are very harsh on men but imagine if it was not, the situation for women would be even worse.

[Big Boss]

27 minutes ago, Felix the cat said:

Mate you took me wrong, i have already said that i agree with you on the misuse part of this law.and it needs to be updated

I was just pointing out the issues which might be the main reason why indian lawmakers has to make such bizzare laws.

 

dont take me wrong but are you sure, those days are long overreally 

Think again bro,maybe those days was long gone in urban areas,yes,

But its a huge prblm in rural india, which formed more than 68% of our countrys population.

 

And how many of these rural women actually file 498a on husbands? The laws are never used by them, let alone misuse.

20 minutes ago, kruzzo said:

Harassment due to dowry demand is still wide spread, it happened to one of my relatives, educated corporate job guy abandoning the wife and kid with full support from his parents because the girl refused to ask dowry from her family.

 

I was of the same opinion that the laws are very harsh on men but imagine if it was not, the situation for women would be even worse.

Dude unless you are in immediate family or have witnessed it first hand, never believe the dowry harassment stories, even from your relatives.

Almost all false 498a wives tell the same story to their relatives. Do you really think they will tell relatives the truth like oh no I was abusive or I was having an affair or I demanded him to stay with me and leave his parents etc! 

Unless guy is convicted by court based on crystal clear evidence of dowry demand and abuse like on audio or video, all these are just stories to save face.

 

Believe evidence, not people.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Big Boss

[Felix the cat]

44 minutes ago, Big Boss said:

And how many of these rural women actually file 498a on husbands? The laws are never used by them, let alone misuse.

 

Yup ,its true that women from poor strata of the society living in rural areas rarely take resort to the provision.

And in urban areas husbands scared of this section by fearing the arrest of themselves and theire families.

But that doesn't mean dowry prblm is not exist in this time .

 

Rural india need education on this law so that even rural husbands scared as f**k from this law.

 

And at the same time necessity to improve this law is much needed, so that husbands from urban area take a little chill pill.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Felix the cat

[Big Boss]

1 hour ago, Felix the cat said:

Yup ,its true that women from poor strata of the society living in rural areas rarely take resort to the provision.

And in urban areas husbands scared of this section by fearing the arrest of themselves and theire families.

But that doesn't mean dowry prblm is not exist in this time .

 

Rural india need education on this law so that even rural husbands scared as f**k from this law.

 

And at the same time necessity to improve this law is much needed, so that husbands from urban area take a little chill pill.

 

 

Rural areas seriously need education of laws. Majority of husband murders are happening in rural areas, most due to adultery of wife. Her bf and she gets rid of husbands. Dainik Bhaskar had an article about some small town in MP where at least 7-8 husbands were murdered by wives in month or so. Headline was something like: Bewafa patniyan kar rahi apne pati ka katl.

 

In urban areas, law knowledge is there. So wives when caught can easily file cases and at least keep the husband alive, and do settlement on their own terms. It is counter intuitive but at least murders will stop. One wife in Pune, when caught on video filed case under IT act and 354 on husband and his advocate saying they outraged her modesty by shooting her video with her bf, and watching it, so both had to apply for anticipatory bail. The advocate took like 10 advocates with him to show judge that they are standing with him in solidarity 

Pretty high profile case too. The BF was son of MLA or ex MLA something. Advocate is a big shot too. That case was featured in front page of Pune mirror.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Big Boss

[Big Boss]

1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Bro you're way too biased. 

Somehow women are evil and men are oppressed in your worldview. 

I feel like I'm reading a post on /r/incel

Incel concept isn't applicable in India. Every man gets laid thanks to concept of arranged marriage. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Big Boss