gecko89 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: It's a vicious cycle. If they can't find a way to reach that audiance, they will never understand how to tap into Western market. Japanese developers will keep shrinking till they learn how to do that. To make it clear, SE needs Western market, not the other way round. What're you talking about?! Japanese Dev's don't need to cater to western audience, their games are making a mark in west as it is. SE wouldn't have sold their western studios if they needed western market. The only one failing to penetrate Japanese market is Xbox. Failing in console sales and failing in third party relations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Vaibhavp said: It's a vicious cycle. If they can't find a way to reach that audiance, they will never understand how to tap into Western market. Japanese developers will keep shrinking till they learn how to do that. To make it clear, SE needs Western market, not the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, gecko89 said: What're you talking about?! Japanese Dev's don't need to cater to western audience, their games are making a mark in west as it is. SE wouldn't have sold their western studios if they needed western market. The only one failing to penetrate Japanese market is Xbox. Failing in console sales and failing in third party relations. Square Enix themselves told this to investers. Square Enix can no longer rely on Japanese market to make money ‘The Japanese market is no longer sufficient for achieving a level of earnings that enables us to recoup our development investment and generate a profit, and we therefore need to approach our development efforts based on the assumption that we have to succeed in the global market.’ https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/31/square-enix-can-no-longer-rely-on-japanese-market-to-make-money-17671539/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: Square Enix themselves told this to investers. Square Enix can no longer rely on Japanese market to make money ‘The Japanese market is no longer sufficient for achieving a level of earnings that enables us to recoup our development investment and generate a profit, and we therefore need to approach our development efforts based on the assumption that we have to succeed in the global market.’ https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/31/square-enix-can-no-longer-rely-on-japanese-market-to-make-money-17671539/ Yes, and their games are sold across the world, not just Japan. That's why they release on PS, PC and Switch, which covers almost everything. Most of remaining 5% don't buy SE games, out of those interested most would again wait for GP launch, SE would probably end up spending more on porting to that platform, so they're irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Yes, and their games are sold across the world, not just Japan. That's why they release on PS, PC and Switch, which covers almost everything. Most of remaining 5% don't buy SE games, out of those interested most would again wait for GP launch, SE would probably end up spending more on porting to that platform, so they're irrelevant. Seriously. What kind of stupid argument is this exactly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Yes, and their games are sold across the world, not just Japan. That's why they release on PS, PC and Switch, which covers almost everything. Most of remaining 5% don't buy SE games, out of those interested most would again wait for GP launch, SE would probably end up spending more on porting to that platform, so they're irrelevant. So they do need to cater to Western market. If so, they need to release on every platform including xbox. They have been keeping games exclusive to PlayStation for 25 yrs that has resulted in poor growth for a big franchise like Final Fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vaibhavp said: So they do need to cater to Western market. If so, they need to release on every platform including xbox. They have been keeping games exclusive to PlayStation for 25 yrs that has resulted in poor growth for a big franchise like Final Fantasy. Already answered this, so will quote myself. Launching on xbox won't make a difference to them, its MS that needs to do better to capture Japanese publishers and devs, not the other way around. 4 hours ago, gecko89 said: Yes, and their games are sold across the world, not just Japan. That's why they release on PS, PC and Switch, which covers almost everything. Most of remaining 5% don't buy SE games, out of those interested most would again wait for GP launch, SE would probably end up spending more on porting to that platform, so they're irrelevant. Edited December 27, 2022 by gecko89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Already answered this, so will quote myself. Launching on xbox won't make a difference to them, its MS that needs to do better to capture Japanese publishers and devs, not the other way around. Completely opposite attitude of what should be. All biggest games strive for bigger audiance. Japanese games Industry is 39 Billion USD per year. Out of that miniscule amount is Sony/ Nintendo. Collectively they lost to mobile with this attitude. If we deploy same attitude worldwide, damn sure mobile will wrap them up just like it did to digital camera industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Vaibhavp said: Completely opposite attitude of what should be. All biggest games strive for bigger audiance. Japanese games Industry is 39 Billion USD per year. Out of that miniscule amount is Sony/ Nintendo. Collectively they lost to mobile with this attitude. If we deploy same attitude worldwide, damn sure mobile will wrap them up just like it did to digital camera industry. With attitude like this Xbox won't change. SE is doing fine catering to worldwide audience (they're into mobile as well) , they don't need Xbox. Xbox needs SE and other Jap devs and pubs. Philnochio needs to get off his a*s and do the work for which he keeps getting lifetime achievement awards (maybe moneyhat games and not awards for f**k sake), and xboners need to expect better from Xbox instead of defending them all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV1709 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 don’t buy games, don’t complete games. What do Xbox users do anyway? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, RV1709 said: don’t buy games, don’t complete games. What do Xbox users do anyway? PS save system helps to save scum to get all endings in 1 playthrough and get the platinum xbox save scum is cumbersome and risk of save file corruption so only 1 ending in 1 playthrough is viable unless you want to risk it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b!T Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, RV1709 said: don’t buy games, don’t complete games. What do Xbox users do anyway? I don't need elden ring, elden ring needs me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 hours ago, RV1709 said: don’t buy games, don’t complete games. What do Xbox users do anyway? Get awed by passion projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 Rock Paper Shotgun Top 3 games of 2022: 3. Citizen Sleeper 2. Elden Ring 1. Vampire Survivors (GOTY) https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rps-game-of-the-year-2022?page=5 Need to check out VS. Seems to be winning a lot of GOTY awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Vaibhavp said: Rock Paper Shotgun Top 3 games of 2022: 3. Citizen Sleeper 2. Elden Ring 1. Vampire Survivors (GOTY) https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rps-game-of-the-year-2022?page=5 Need to check out VS. Seems to be winning a lot of GOTY awards. Vampire Survivors? Isn't that a mobile game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 59 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Vampire Survivors? Isn't that a mobile game? It's Xbox exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Vaibhavp said: It's Xbox exclusive. It's available on mobile as well. https://apps.apple.com/in/app/vampire-survivors/id6444525702 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 55 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: It's available on mobile as well. https://apps.apple.com/in/app/vampire-survivors/id6444525702 Yes. Available mostly everywhere. Simple game. People are getting addicted to it. Good type of addiction can't stop playing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Vaibhavp said: It's Xbox exclusive. But it is a mobile game. It's on Android and iOS too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verlord Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Bird Bird Bird said: It's available on mobile as well. https://apps.apple.com/in/app/vampire-survivors/id6444525702 Thanks I downloaded it on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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