Movie Discussion Thread

[PS Fan]

20 hours ago, Star Lord said:

Thor Ragnarok was like a cure to superhero fatigue. Probably the most entertaining superhero movie of the year imo.

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I don't want to piss anyone off or bait anyone... I went to watch Thor last week and slept off somewhere during last part of the movie... 

Will have to watch it again, I have no idea what happened in the end...  

 

Tabiyat theek nahi teri.. Ilaaz karwaa  

[Star Lord]

Holy sh*t Last Jedi was epic. So many feels/goosebumps. The cinematography is brilliant especially in the last act.  Looked even better on a larger 2D screen.
 

 

Never expected Yoda to show up lol. The best surprise cameo of all time. 

 

What a perfect send off for Luke. tfw R2-D2 plays the message sent by Leia from A New Hope.

I kinda always expected Kylo would kill Snoke. But never thought it would be this early. 

Also, Luke doesn't leave red footprints when he's fighting in the Crait sand. Nice little detail.

 

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[STICK3Rboy]

16 hours ago, Gautam said:

Just got back from The Last Jedi. Have mixed feelings about the movie. Liked the Kylo-Rey arc. Liked Luke's story. 

 

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But the whole resistance plot was so full of blunders that you wonder if they deserve to survive. Especially Poe Dameron. First he got all those pilots killed in the beginning. Then his plan with Finn/Rose was such a disaster. Not only did it not succeed in allowing the big ship to escape at light speed, it gave away the backup escape plan (through the Del Toro character) and destroyed almost all of the resistance. Also, the Snoke arc was so unsatisfying. No answers to who he was. How did he seduce Kylo?

 

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Regarding your point about the blunders Poe makes, some guy from reddit has put it well. I've just copy-pasted his entire post, so ignore the bad grammar  

 

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Asides from whiny "TLJ is sh*t because my theories are all wrong" comments, I realize how most people are disappointed with the movie because the plot did not pay off, how the characters always made stupid decisions. What they failed to realize was, that's the WHOLE POINT of the movie. The theme of the movie is the inevitability of FAILURE. We are all bound to make mistakes when we are desperate and when we overestimate ourselves. Because at the end of the day, nobody is perfect not even the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, Luke Skywalker. We all grow from our failures. Just like what Master Yoda said in the movie "Our greatest teacher, failure that is."

 

Right at the beginning, we all witnessed Poe disobeying his superior, Leia's order because he desperately wanted to destroy one dreadnought. As a result, his rash decision had costed many lives of his Resistance comrades. Poe is a man who obviously thinks very highly of himself which can be seen throughout the movie. When Poe was demoted by Leia, he didn't feel a sense of remorse at all but instead he was angry. Poe didn't learn from his mistake, he remained the same person as before. So, he repeated the same mistake of disobeying his superior which in this case was Admiral Holdo for the same exact reason. You may argue that Holdo should had told Poe the plan but the thing is Holdo wasn't obliged to reveal her plan especially to a man who had just costed many lives of the Resistance army with his poor decision. When Leia revealed Holdo's plan to Poe, that was the moment when Poe had realized his mistakes. At the end of the movie, Poe instructed his fleet fighters to flee instead of sacrificing themselves to defend the Rebel Base. He had finally let go of his pride. He learned to value the lives of his comrades over the glory of a hero. That's a brilliant character arc right there.

 

I can go on with this for the other characters such as Finn and Rose getting tricked by DJ which led to 'pointless' casino scene because they only trusted him out of desperation. DJ wasn't even the codebreaker Maz mentioned! Luke failed Ben Solo and his other students because he overestimated himself as a legendary Jedi master. Snoke got sliced in half because he was too arrogant to see that Kylo Ren wanted to kill him not Rey. Kylo Ren failed to gain Rey's trust because he thought Rey who was a nobody somehow understood him better than his own parents and Luke. Rey failed to turn Kylo Ren into the Light Side because she overestimated the good in Kylo Ren. I would love to go in details with all the characters arc but it's better if you rewatch the movie again. All the characters arc aligned very well with the movie theme.

 

Star Wars movies have always been about the chosen one being the only hope to save the entirely galaxy. That is what I love about the new sequel trilogy. It's the complete opposite of the previous trilogies. Everyone can a hero, everyone is a hope to the galaxy. A hero shouldn't be someone with special bloodline, a hero can just be a nobody who is willing to rise from every fall he takes.

 

EDIT: FYI Empire Strikes Back has 30 minutes of Han and Leia getting chased down by the Empire just to get themselves caught in the end. I didn't see anyone complaining about that 'pointless' segment. We have to remember ESB also had mixed reactions from fans back when it was first released. Yet, most of us today consider ESB as the best SW movie ever made after knowing where the story led to.
 

 

 

I would also add Finn's character arc to this. In the previous movie and even at the beginning of this movie, he was all about Rey. He didn't give a sh*t about the resistance. But after teaming up with Rose and getting to know what's at stake and what the resistance is fighting for, he was ready to sacrifice himself for the resistance (He still fails to stop the cannon though. Again, another failure)

Anyway, I think that's a good character arc too. Now its execution does leave something to be desired. But TBH, I didn't mind it much (especially after a second watch).

 

And as to how Snoke seduced Kylo, he was able to bridge Kylo and Rey's minds. So I'm guessing he must have done something similar with Kylo. But I agree that it would've been better if they had showed just how exactly that went about. Maybe they will touch it in the next episode.

Also, people may argue that Snoke's character was ultimately pointless. But he was the one who got Rey to empathize with Kylo and I believe Rey hasn't entirely given up on him yet (although Rey shutting the door of the Falcon when she sensed Kylo does imply otherwise :\). Anyway, this empathy wouldn't have been possible if not for Snoke.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by STICK3Rboy

[LeonardoInventions]

1 hour ago, STICK3Rboy said:

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Also, people may argue that Snoke's character was ultimately pointless. But he was the one who got Rey to empathize with Kylo and I believe Rey hasn't entirely given up on him yet (although Rey shutting the door of the Falcon when she sensed Kylo does imply otherwise :\). Anyway, this empathy wouldn't have been possible if not for Snoke.

 

 

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Tbh Snoke is just used as a plot device in that case by the writer at his luxury. Its not as if how Rey & Kylo's minds started bridging couldn't have been written differently.

 

What's disappointing is how Snoke is built up & deconstructed. Rey is supposed to be this extremely unusual force user who can scare the likes of Luke & best Kylo at lightsaber combat, and she couldn't hold a candle to Snoke at any point in that throne room scene. For such an apparently powerful character (who also managed to hide from Palpatine of all people) to go out like that after TFA build up just to subvert expectations was a bit anti climatic.

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by LeonardoInventions

[STICK3Rboy]

12 hours ago, LeonardoInventions said:

 

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Tbh Snoke is just used as a plot device in that case by the writer at his luxury. Its not as if how Rey & Kylo's minds started bridging couldn't have been written differently.

 

What's disappointing is how Snoke is built up & deconstructed. Rey is supposed to be this extremely unusual force user who can scare the likes of Luke & best Kylo at lightsaber combat, and she couldn't hold a candle to Snoke at any point in that throne room scene. For such an apparently powerful character (who also managed to hide from Palpatine of all people) to go out like that after TFA build up just to subvert expectations was a bit anti climatic.

 

 

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At the risk of now sounding like a blind fanboy, I'm gonna say that I actually loved that they killed him off.

At a time when most big blockbusters are playing it safe, Star Wars had the balls to kill off a guy who was so far projected as the big baddie of the trilogy. Not only have we now been made to believe that we can safely expect the unexpected but we also have a far more compelling and unpredictable character at the helm of the First Order. sh*t's wide open now.

That to me is more exciting than having to look forward to what was possibly going to be a generic final boss showdown at the end of Ep. IX that you could see coming from a mile away. Heck, the showdown would have probably played out the same way that it did in TLJ, considering it is pretty much a repeat of what happened at the end of RoTJ. By making it happen so early in the trilogy, they have shaken things up.

 

Has this led to Snoke being reduced to a mere plot device and would I have liked to get more backstory to him? Definitely. But I'm quite happy with what I got anyway.

Maybe the fact that I wasn't high on his character in the first place helped as well.

 

And yes, I totally get how the way he got killed could irk many. It reminds me of Khal Drogo's death in GoT. That didn't bother me and neither does this. I think I actually like seeing such powerful characters going out in unexpected and anti-climactic ways. Such is life  .

 

EDIT: I hope the fan backlash doesn't prompt JJ to bring back Snoke in the next episode. It would take away the weight from that death scene. It was executed so well that it managed to give me chills both the times that I saw it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by STICK3Rboy

[Star Lord]

Snoke was never meant to be the real baddie of this new trilogy. It is Kylo. I'm glad they got rid of him this early. Now Episode-IX won't be a rehash of RoTJ. Didn't people complain that Force Awakens was too similar to A New Hope?

I didn't like the sequence at Canto Bight while watching the movie as it reminded me a bit of the Prequels . But now that I think of it, it ties up really well to the ending scene. Luke has become a legend. There will always be hope in the galaxy.

I for one, liked the decision of Rey's parents not being a Jedi or some known character.

[CarbonCore]

The thing about Rey's backstory though

 

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I would be OK if Rey's parents were nobody scums, if TFA hadn't built up to the story behind them so much. She mentions she's waiting for her parents three times, one of them being a lengthy scene between her and Han Solo. Her flashback shows she is being left behind by people who leave in a spaceship, not scavengers who're dead and buried on Jakku. This feels more like a disconnect between two directors than anything else. 

 

She knows about the island before she even gets there. She remembers Kylo's massacre on the island. When the trooper on Star destroyer tells Kylo 'there's a girl with them' he goes mental and asks what  girl. There's a huge chunk of backstory missing here, and the movie just shrugged it all off as 'oh it was nothing, just forget about it'.  

 

 

[Star Lord]

Yup J.J Abrams is directing Episode- IX.

[CarbonCore]

Well that sucks :|

[Star Lord]

Well in TLJ trailer they showed Luke  saying "This is not going to go the way you think"  . So they already warned the audience beforehand.

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[CarbonCore]

8 hours ago, adity said:

I would prefer Rian Johnson to continue. 

Hasn't JJ Abrams already fked Star Trek and Force Awakens wasn't mind blowing either. 

 

No Star Trek reboot was amazing and the sequel wasn't too bad either. I can't imagine Star Trek being made in any other way for modern times. But dude relies too much on nostalgia which only works on the first film. And his plots are too predictable and boring. I liked the unpredictability in TLJ, you feel like the characters are actually in mortal danger and they might die at any moment. Its not a cookie-cutter Star Wars movie.        

[sobbii]

I would prefer Rian Johnson to continue. 
Hasn't JJ Abrams already fked Star Trek and Force Awakens wasn't mind blowing either. 

rian johnson is working on the next star wars trilogy... gonna be writing and directing all 3 of them..

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[LeonardoInventions]

6 hours ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

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At the risk of now sounding like a blind fanboy, I'm gonna say that I actually loved that they killed him off.

At a time when most big blockbusters are playing it safe, Star Wars had the balls to kill off a guy who was so far projected as the big baddie of the trilogy. Not only have we now been made to believe that we can safely expect the unexpected but we also have a far more compelling and unpredictable character at the helm of the First Order. sh*t's wide open now.

That to me is more exciting than having to look forward to what was possibly going to be a generic final boss showdown at the end of Ep. IX that you could see coming from a mile away. Heck, the showdown would have probably played out the same way that it did in TLJ, considering it is pretty much a repeat of what happened at the end of RoTJ. By making it happen so early in the trilogy, they have shaken things up.

 

Has this led to Snoke being reduced to a mere plot device and would I have liked to get more backstory to him? Definitely. But I'm quite happy with what I got anyway.

Maybe the fact that I wasn't high on his character in the first place helped as well.

 

And yes, I totally get how the way he got killed could irk many. It reminds me of Khal Drogo's death in GoT. That didn't bother me and neither does this. I think I actually like seeing such powerful characters going out in unexpected and anti-climactic ways. Such is life  .

 

EDIT: I hope the fan backlash doesn't prompt JJ to bring back Snoke in the next episode. It would take away the weight from that death scene. It was executed so well that it managed to give me chills both the times that I saw it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough I suppose. I'm happy too with the unconventional approach Johnson took, just a bit iffy on that one. But yes on that note it was nice to see how he handled Kylo Ren throughout, I thought Driver's performance was exceptional.

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[playstationdude]

Back from last jedi. Pretty good but nothing really extraordinary. 

The original trilogy is hands down much better. It was complete in itself. The newee ones just feel like they are stretching things out for the sake of it.

Also when I think star wars I associate it with chewbecca , han solo , luke , vader. Can't really associate the newer characters well.

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[ALPHA17]

3 hours ago, Star Lord said:

Yup J.J Abrams is directing Episode- IX.

 

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2 hours ago, CarbonCore said:

I liked the unpredictability in TLJ, you feel like that the characters are actually in mortal danger and they might die at any moment. Its not a cookie-cutter Star Wars movie.        

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So. Much. This. 

This movie had some of the best turns and more importantly, everybody felt like they actually had a stake instead of just, there is a force and can you feel it, mumbo-jumbo. 

Oh! Also, call back to nostalgia in this one, EPIC! 

19 minutes ago, Playstationdude said:

Back from last jedi. Pretty good but nothing really extraordinary. 

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Hands down better than The Farce Awakens. 

 

Also, compartmentalising the different eras is really handy. 

 

The best STAR WARS content will always be locked behind the non-canon EU now. 

[playstationdude]

20 minutes ago, ALPHA17 said:

 

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So. Much. This. 

This movie had some of the best turns and more importantly, everybody felt like they actually had a stake instead of just, there is a force and can you feel it, mumbo-jumbo. 

Oh! Also, call back to nostalgia in this one, EPIC! 

 

Hands down better than The Farce Awakens. 

 

Also, compartmentalising the different eras is really handy. 

 

The best STAR WARS content will always be locked behind the non-canon EU now. 

Yeah it's a lot better than the force awakens. 

Anyway, it's one of the better movies I've seen this year and a much needed break from the superhero overdose.

[pixeljunkie]

What's up with the ridiculous fan theories?! Anybody have any clue?!

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this came out of nowhere... loved the first one.. this should be good too..

 

[Aftrunner]

Holy sh*t that Sicario 2 trailer looks f**king awesome. Completely forgot that was a thing.