The Playstation 5 thread

[hsk_colossus]

10 minutes ago, l33tmaniac said:

 

Ryzen 2700X is not a great CPU for benchmarking. Ryzen 3 series has better IPC and using a 3600 would have been better. It is very well known than using a Ryzen 3 series offers better performance by a few fps even when when under regular stress.

 

While I agree with PS5 punching above it's weight and is a great value prop, I honestly don't think his comparison is valid. What is the MHz on his RAM? If he's using 2700Mhz or so, expect 5fps diff easily when compared to 3200 or higher. That's why it's purely subjective. I can build a crappy PC with a 3060 and still say a PS5 performs better.

 

I would honestly wait for a DF verdict. They may nitpick, but those guys know how to really use comparable hardware for benchmarks.

 

 

 

 

df was saying in one their videos that ps5 /xsx perform equal to rtx 2060 super in raytracing performance.. 

[gecko89]

7 hours ago, KnackChap said:

 

This is good, he straight up said Austin's method was wrong. Hopefully, NXG or GamersNexus go in depth on this, test the temps on the soc level. 

[L33TWiZaRd]

1 minute ago, gecko89 said:

This is good, he straight up said Austin's method was wrong. Hopefully, NXG or GamersNexus go in depth on this, test the temps on the soc level. 

 

The original PS5 did not have the best airflow as per GamerNexus so if this revision improves upon this shortcoming then air coming out of the vents will be hotter.

 

Also, hot air on the outside is better than hot components on the inside. And pretty sure the revised PS5 won't be throttling due to heat as some are making it out to be

[hsk_colossus]

3 minutes ago, gecko89 said:

This is good, he straight up said Austin's method was wrong. Hopefully, NXG or GamersNexus go in depth on this, test the temps on the soc level. 

Doubt Sony would change the heatsink without proper testing…

 

 

[0verlord]

26 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

df was saying in one their videos that ps5 /xsx perform equal to rtx 2060 super in raytracing performance.. 

 

nxg says that the 2070 pc is "fill rate limited" and "pcie bandwidth limited", that's why it's falling behind, that too in a ps4 back-compat title which is not even pushing the ps5 to full capacity

 

I think this may be due to PS5's ssd and other related components. Anyone with better understanding? 

 

he also mentions PC judder and stutter while streaming data in and out again

 

faack, PC drops to 1440p and 40-50s in fps meanwhile, PS5 not drop a frame

 

also, PC hiccups and stutter are due to bandwidth sharing between system ram and gpu ram and due to narrow bandwidth pipeline of the pcie express on PC

 

and he says that these judders can't be done away with on top end PC as these judders will only get worse higher the resolution

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by 0verlord

[PhantomShade]

15 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

Doubt Sony would change the heatsink without proper testing…

 

 

 

Yes, because Chindigiri and no QC checking will bite them back in the a*s( in terms of expense ) like the 360s RROD issue, and whatever plague every new gen of Macbooks from Applel bring.

PS4Bone gen was relatively free from all such defects, hope this gen is too

[hsk_colossus]

1 minute ago, PhantomShade said:

 

Yes, because Chindigiri and no QC checking will bite them back in the a*s( in terms of expense ) like the 360s RROD issue, and whatever plague every new gen of Macbooks from Applel bring.

PS4Bone gen was relatively free from all such defects, hope this gen is too

what happened to MacBook? 

[radicaldude]

 

 

 

 

 

[0verlord]

sorry for posting this again but I am super hyped!! about PS5 being the KING of all gaming machines

 

- this is a back-compat title which does not fully utilize all PS5 architecture features

 

- there are significant judders and stutters on PC with an SSD dropping fps to 40-50s while PS5 remains rock solid at 60fps

 

- both PC and PS5 running at same resolution

 

- NXG says that these judders on PC won't be solved by top tier CPU and GPU and that such cases are bound to happen when the game engine and the game is designed for PS console and then ported to PC. So, PS5 exclusives shall run best on PS5 only.

 

-  This PS5 HZD experience is the best and smoothest you will ever get including top tier PCs and laptops

 

 

[makdi_man]

2 hours ago, radicaldude said:

 

 

 

 

 

There's more chance of X1 unleashing its cloud powah than proper games (not indie bhindi) running at 8K.

 

And there's more chances of GTA VI releasing than X1 cloud powah.

[radicaldude]

 

 

 

 

 

[hsk_colossus]

4 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

 

 

 

 

Finally will try a hitman game ??

[hsk_colossus]

2 hours ago, gecko89 said:

This is good, he straight up said Austin's method was wrong. Hopefully, NXG or GamersNexus go in depth on this, test the temps on the soc level. 

well his logic is wrong.. if hot air is coming out of the console means the inside is also hot… @CarbonCore 

 

[gecko89]

22 minutes ago, hsk_colossus said:

well his logic is wrong.. if hot air is coming out of the console means the inside is also hot… @CarbonCore 

 

I'm no expert at this, my common sense says this could be either of these two reasons:

 

First, the new heatsink is doing its job of better heat dissipation, hence higher temps seen at the exhaust, only way of knowing this for sure is if temps are checked at soc like gamers Nexus did last year. 

 

Second, Sony added way too much overhead just to be on the safe side on launch and have now realised the overhead isn't necessary and they can cut down on costs having smaller heatsink without having to worry about it affecting the console in long run.

 

Bonus third reason: Sony is being freakin greedy and intentionally lowered everything knowing it would f**k up the consoles faster. Don't think this is the reason, between Sony engineers and Austin, I'll put my trust on the former and first 2 reasons.

[KnackChap]

Just now, gecko89 said:

I'm no expert at this, my common sense says this could be either of these two reasons:

 

First, the new heatsink is doing its job of better heat dissipation, hence higher temps seen at the exhaust, only way of knowing this for sure is if temps are checked at soc like gamers Nexus did last year. 

 

Second, Sony added way too much overhead just to be on the safe side on launch and have now realised the overhead isn't necessary and they can cut down on costs having smaller heatsink without having to worry about it affecting the console in long run.

 

Bonus third reason: Sony is being freakin greedy and intentionally lowered everything knowing it would f**k up the consoles faster. Don't think this is the reason, between Sony engineers and Austin, I'll put my trust on the former and first 2 reasons.

 

 

It's probably a combination of all 3 reasons you listed. 

[hsk_colossus]

29 minutes ago, gecko89 said:

I'm no expert at this, my common sense says this could be either of these two reasons:

 

First, the new heatsink is doing its job of better heat dissipation, hence higher temps seen at the exhaust, only way of knowing this for sure is if temps are checked at soc like gamers Nexus did last year. 

 

Second, Sony added way too much overhead just to be on the safe side on launch and have now realised the overhead isn't necessary and they can cut down on costs having smaller heatsink without having to worry about it affecting the console in long run.

 

Bonus third reason: Sony is being freakin greedy and intentionally lowered everything knowing it would f**k up the consoles faster. Don't think this is the reason, between Sony engineers and Austin, I'll put my trust on the former and first 2 reasons.

I don’t know about that… but was just pointing out nxg gamers Logic seems flawed…

plus I trust Sony not to f**k the console up… My PS4 is still going strong..

Edited August 30, 2021 by hsk_colossus

[PhantomShade]

3 hours ago, hsk_colossus said:

what happened to MacBook? 

 

Long ago like say 2009-2011 models macbook pro iirc were plagued by some problem with the nvidia gpu, basically the laptop would be bricked, and before the current ARM macbook models came out, the earlier models had the issue of the keyboard becoming unresponsive, keys getting stuck and all.

 

TLDR is chindigiri and f**king QC will end up being expensive long term if you have to deal with court cases and a high return rate, so it seems highly unlikely Sony has become so stupid.

 

[TRMNTR]

4 hours ago, 0verlord said:

 

nxg says that the 2070 pc is "fill rate limited" and "pcie bandwidth limited", that's why it's falling behind, that too in a ps4 back-compat title which is not even pushing the ps5 to full capacity

 

I think this may be due to PS5's ssd and other related components. Anyone with better understanding? 

 

he also mentions PC judder and stutter while streaming data in and out again

 

faack, PC drops to 1440p and 40-50s in fps meanwhile, PS5 not drop a frame

 

also, PC hiccups and stutter are due to bandwidth sharing between system ram and gpu ram and due to narrow bandwidth pipeline of the pcie express on PC

 

and he says that these judders can't be done away with on top end PC as these judders will only get worse higher the resolution

 

 

3 hours ago, 0verlord said:

sorry for posting this again but I am super hyped!! about PS5 being the KING of all gaming machines

 

- this is a back-compat title which does not fully utilize all PS5 architecture features

 

- there are significant judders and stutters on PC with an SSD dropping fps to 40-50s while PS5 remains rock solid at 60fps

 

- both PC and PS5 running at same resolution

 

- NXG says that these judders on PC won't be solved by top tier CPU and GPU and that such cases are bound to happen when the game engine and the game is designed for PS console and then ported to PC. So, PS5 exclusives shall run best on PS5 only.

 

-  This PS5 HZD experience is the best and smoothest you will ever get including top tier PCs and laptops

 

 

 

Considering that PS5 is running the PS4 Pro version and that PC is stuttering, I'd put my money on the PC port being sh*t before jumping to any fantasy conclusions.

[l33tmaniac]

1 hour ago, TRMNTR said:

 

 

Considering that PS5 is running the PS4 Pro version and that PC is stuttering, I'd put my money on the PC port being sh*t before jumping to any fantasy conclusions.

 

This. And also we have no idea on the hardware the game is being run from. Is it an nVMe drive or SATA ssd? 

 

Feels like a random fanboy who simply wants to milk views. He should have publish the specs of his PC before publishing the video

 

[CarbonCore]

2 hours ago, hsk_colossus said:

well his logic is wrong.. if hot air is coming out of the console means the inside is also hot… @CarbonCore 

 

 

Well yeah, the SoC heats up to 105 deg before shutting down. And the SoC is same. If earlier model was exhausting 50 deg air and new one is 55 deg, new model is pulling more heat from SoC. If you build a PC with custom water loop and fit a thermostat directly in the loop, you'll see that if you have improper contact with CPU, the water temp wont rise as much compared to if you have proper contact.